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Post by hilly1981 on Jun 9, 2007 8:59:03 GMT 10
Hi all, Now I know I may get some biased answers here, but ill ask anyway since this is an open forum. What are the best known clubs on the central coast that have a good reputation for nurturing and developing their juniors? If you had a 15 yr old that was a good player but just needed the extra coaching to further develop skills to make it to the next level (reps), which club would you send them to? Thanks  |
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Post by Bearinator on Jun 9, 2007 9:53:08 GMT 10
Wyoming go alright at most junior levels, so they either put something in the water, or the coaches are doing something right.
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Post by offtheball on Jun 9, 2007 12:10:21 GMT 10
Any club but Wyoming for 15's or 16's.
All the 15's have gone to East Gosford.
All the 16's have gone all over the place.
In the present 16 age group Wyoming were runners up in 10A's 3rd in 11's and league champions by a country mile in 12A's.
No team in any grade by 14's
No sign of development for those boys.
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Post by mortez on Jun 9, 2007 19:20:24 GMT 10
I would suggest you send him to Andrea Gumprecht for some private coaching. He runs his own coaching school. You would have to pay for the privilege though, but he would learn a lot more than most club coaches could teach him.
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Post by hilly1981 on Jun 11, 2007 8:06:26 GMT 10
Thanks for your comments.
What has sparked this question is that a couple of the clubs that I have been associated with, dont really seem to field the best A team in each age group. There are kids that are not up to that standard however because their parents have pulled some strings to get them in there, they are keeping out better players in the lower age groups.
Therefore since some of the better players are in the lower grade, they may play well and shine week in week out in a weaker competition (no disrespect intended when I say this), however dont have much of a chance to progress as selectors would not be interested in watching lower grade games for potential rep players. Please correct me if I am wrong.
This not only hurts the club competition wise, but also for the development of potential rep players in the future. Not to mention the morale and confidence issues that come associated with this playing favourites nonsense that is going on.
Thoughts?
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Post by mortez on Jun 12, 2007 14:11:03 GMT 10
Coaches looking for potential rep players would mainly only go to watch the A / B grade final series at the end of the competition. Players in teams lower than this would IMO not be looked at.
The problem you mention of some players in lower grade teams being stronger then the players in the top teams has, and will always happen.
Every time a player crosses the side line onto the pitch they must STAND OUT from the rest. If they can do this the chances of a player being missed at selection time is reduced greatly.
This problem goes right to the top of the game in Australia. Most of the top players pick themselves, and then the other half of the team is a lottery.
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Post by offtheball on Jun 12, 2007 18:25:31 GMT 10
Coaches looking for potential rep players would mainly only go to watch the A / B grade final series at the end of the competition. Players in teams lower than this would IMO not be looked at. The problem you mention of some players in lower grade teams being stronger then the players in the top teams has, and will always happen. Every time a player crosses the side line onto the pitch they must STAND OUT from the rest. If they can do this the chances of a player being missed at selection time is reduced greatly. This problem goes right to the top of the game in Australia. Most of the top players pick themselves, and then the other half of the team is a lottery. Central Coast Football tell us they are addressing this this season by scheduling whole rounds in A divisions at Pluim so that the selectors can have a good look at every team. |
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Post by oziboy on Jun 24, 2007 18:00:10 GMT 10
" If you had a 15 yr old that was a good player but just needed the extra coaching to further develop skills to make it to the next level (reps), which club would you send them to? "
Pretty hard one to answer really you'd be better of to look for a good coach in that age group, the club has little to do with it it's the coaching they receive I'm afraid.
Most clubs aren't really interested in developing players on a one by one basis they just want to get them on the field, "just a numbers game really". Of course if the player plays does later play at a high level they will claim responsibility for this development.
Try to find a coach who is fair to every player on the paddock that's the tough one a lot tend to favour there own son / daughter or a favourite thay may already have in the side.
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Post by jip on Aug 10, 2007 8:02:45 GMT 10
Just send him up to Budgewoi.. nay, better yet, off to Kanwal. There he'll learn all the great skills a 15 year old needs for Central Coast Football: hacking, diving, dog shots behind the ref's back, late tackles and, of course, the much needed ability to moan and groan for a full 90minutes. ;D  |
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Post by offtheball on Aug 11, 2007 11:53:26 GMT 10
Do you have something against Green Jip?
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Post by jip on Aug 12, 2007 9:12:38 GMT 10
Funny coincidence mate, more so the fact they're the only two squads I've been sent off against. |
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Post by afan on Sept 4, 2007 12:45:11 GMT 10
Contradiction in terms. The problem not only on the CC is that Clubs do not develop their kids as they are judged by trophies. Development starts at very young ages, where you start teaching technical skills etc and then as they get older progress to team mechanics etc in short (there is more to all teachings). The problem I see with grassroots coaching is that they try and teach kids the mechanics instead of teaching the techniques first. I watch many sessions where coaches just grab the old bibs and start playing at age 7,8 etc. This is why parents pay unfortunately big dollars to have their players development externally to clubs, hence why such Andre G, Coerver, Football NSW, 442 exists. If clubs could fits this role, then maybe , well who knows...
My though is that clubs should not play comp until age 11 and should play in a 7 a side football (up to age 10) as this really highlights what Australia sadly lack creativity, we have heaps of strength and speed, but football is far more than that. One type of Athlete does not constitute a winning formula, we must have all creative players, fast players, strong etc.
just a thought!
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Post by mortez on Sept 4, 2007 21:26:11 GMT 10
IMO most players want to win trophies too. Clubs are not responsible to supply knowlegeable coaches for all teams when there are no volunteers available to do the job.
Club coaches of junior teams are usually a team members DAD thrown in at the deep end with very little experience and expertise because no one else wants, or will do the job, just to allow the team to take the park on game day.
They are doing the best they can with the knowledge they have.
You would have to pay to get the best coaches to train the youngsters.
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Post by offtheball on Sept 5, 2007 7:14:50 GMT 10
IMO most players want to win trophies too. Clubs are not responsible to supply knowlegeable coaches for all teams when there are no volunteers available to do the job. Club coaches of junior teams are usually a team members DAD thrown in at the deep end with very little experience and expertise because no one else wants, or will do the job, just to allow the team to take the park on game day. They are doing the best they can with the knowledge they have. You would have to pay to get the best coaches to train the youngsters. 100% correct. The question has to be once the club throws these "volunteers" into the deep end what aide do they offer them? |
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Post by GRUB on Sept 5, 2007 8:50:59 GMT 10
this year ccf community football ran free club 'coach the coach' sessions for age groups 5 - 7 & 8 - 10's to offer first time coaches some guidance on good coaching practices and provided example sessions. nearly 200 coaches participated throughout the year. just over half the clubs took up the offer.
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Post by dru on Sept 5, 2007 9:09:42 GMT 10
As it is any coach should be working through the FFA coaching framework so they have the basic skills to coach at the appropriate level. This is worked in conjuction with the NCAS so is approved by dept of sport and rec in nsw etc.
The free sessions run by ccf might of been the lower levels of the FFA community pathway. so anyone interested in coaching should be looking at this.
It is only valid for four years so you do need to keep updating your skills and in this way the FFA can if they choose have a national framework for young players.
EDIT: I should say all these courses have a practical element so the coaches get out there and do the drills and the like. depending on the level run from 3 hours (basic intro for the real youngsters) to 2 days.
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Post by offtheball on Sept 5, 2007 16:30:39 GMT 10
That's excellent that CCF run these free courses for the beginner coach.
I think clubs should offer an incentive for mums and dads to become coaches. Free rego for their kids would be a good place to start. Levy the others in the team to cover it. They shouldn't complain they are getting someone who is willing to give more than 100 hours to develop their child for $15 or $20.
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