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Post by Foriegnmariner on Aug 22, 2007 17:21:50 GMT 10
Victoria have young talented player coming out of there ears. I played the under 15 Gippsland academy team last year and they just played great one-two touch football.
I believe we should have maximum over 4 over 23 players and miminmum of two under 17s players.
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Post by Rowdy on Aug 23, 2007 13:05:31 GMT 10
Brett's right, Central Coast kid's have been doing the 'reverse' for years, in going to Sydney to further their footballing aspirations.
Either because of limited places in rep team's up here or vice versa more club's down there = more places available in squads. In addition perhaps better management/development of young players in amongst the Sydney clubs. In fact some of the kid's in the current Mariners Academy ARE from Sydney clubs.
So there's no reason why young players wouldn't relocate themselves to whereever an 'opportunity' existed for them to take their game to the next level.
What is of concern is the cost. Have been told that Lyall has looked ahed to the future in regards to this and did a cost anaylasis of CCM having a team (if required now) in a national youth league. It was estimated to cost just under $1Mill. & that was where possible travelling on game days and if needing to stay away having players staying at budget hotels etc. players on extremely low-paid contracts. Therefore the FFA are going to need to put there hands in the ir own pockets and/or get Hyundai or an additional sponsor to help cover some of the operating costs.
This might not be such a bad idea with all Youth league player's under contract to the FFA on the same wage, have draft type of system, allow the clubs a set amount to spend from their own coffers to bid for the 'marquee' youth ( a limited number per team), which upgrades these players wage and locks them into a contract with the club as well for later possible transfers.
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Post by dibo (pron. "DIB-OH") on Aug 23, 2007 13:19:57 GMT 10
Brett's right, Central Coast kid's have been doing the 'reverse' for years, in going to Sydney to further their footballing aspirations. Either because of limited places in rep team's up here or vice versa more club's down there = more places available in squads. In addition perhaps better management/development of young players in amongst the Sydney clubs. In fact some of the kid's in the current Mariners Academy ARE from Sydney clubs. So there's no reason why young players wouldn't relocate themselves to whereever an 'opportunity' existed for them to take their game to the next level. What is of concern is the cost. Have been told that Lyall has looked ahed to the future in regards to this and did a cost anaylasis of CCM having a team (if required now) in a national youth league. It was estimated to cost just under $1Mill. & that was where possible travelling on game days and if needing to stay away having players staying at budget hotels etc. players on extremely low-paid contracts. Therefore the FFA are going to need to put there hands in the ir own pockets and/or get Hyundai or an additional sponsor to help cover some of the operating costs. This might not be such a bad idea with all Youth league player's under contract to the FFA on the same wage, have draft type of system, allow the clubs a set amount to spend from their own coffers to bid for the 'marquee' youth ( a limited number per team), which upgrades these players wage and locks them into a contract with the club as well for later possible transfers. smart ideas there! you could just set up something like that - an apprentice type system for your reserve squad. the reserve squad need not be a full-size squad because full squad members will be coming down from time to time when not selected for the first team, maybe only 17 or so for a total firsts + reserves setup of 40. they should be on a limited wage but certainly a full-time wage. they should be encouraged to study as well, to fill in their time outside of training and keep them focussed on something off-field and out of trouble but also to give them skills and quals as insurance against injuries and not making the grade. this should be worked out with some sort of partnership with nearby universities/tafes. it effectively adds a considerable 'in-kind' value to the contract, and is good for the club, the player and the university/tafe. you'd want the reserve squad to be in pretty close contact with the firsts, learning the system of play, learning training methods and so on so that if they do well in the reserves they can just slot straight into the first team squad as time goes on. also the firsts coming back from injury or poor form will be able to drop back and still play the same system and prove themselves without risking first team results. it will allow clubs to be a little more adventurous with recruitment and development because they can take a gamble on diamonds in the rough and get to play them somewhere without the first team being affected if they turn out to be rubbish. you'd take in local youngsters and people from other places and give them a go. that's simply too hard to do effectively at the moment with a 23 man squad limit, limits on short-term contracts and a season that's only 21 weeks long.
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Post by skilbeck on Aug 26, 2007 3:09:00 GMT 10
I really like the idea. It will give the young players a taste of the a-league and the pressures that may be associated with it. It will provide plenty of means for the mariners academy to get and analyse results. It will also give fans another 2 hours of football on game day and the youth players a chance to play at the stadiums.
This type of league should be completely non-professional and part-time and have an age limit of under-20 for all but a maximum of 3 members of say, a 23 man squad, so players can work, remain in school or go to uni or tafe. as a matter of fact, a contract should be dependant on those sort of alternative arrangements unless they are one of the mandatory 3 under 20's players in the a-league side. the 3 over 20's players should only be drawn from the first team on only a short term basis. this should not include the mandatory under 20's players who can play in both and be disqualified from the a-league match of that week when they play in the b-league. also all short term deals for every club should be drawn from the b-league team.
for us such a team looks promising we'd have people such as Redmayne, McAndrew, Ty Owens, and Woodcock
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Post by curious on Aug 26, 2007 8:49:07 GMT 10
This isn't a new idea as we know most have been pushing for a youth league since the first aleague season for obvious reasons. It's a MUST. I'm already hateing (with a vengeance) the names Bleague & reserves (whoever coined "Bleague", find him & tape his mouth) The format will likely be & should be very similar to the nsl U20 youth league, with absolutely no more than 2/3 over age players at a given time playing in a youth game. Any more takes spots from youth players which the youth league is aimed at. Should be definately not be any higher than U20, as the point of the exercise is development of the best youth in the country. The youth players cannot be expected to be full time professional as many, if not most, will still be of school age, but a scholarship/traineeship type reimbursement would assist in costs involved (which parents usually have to cope with) in such a commitment. (set in stone so "a club" can't renege on payment. ) As some have said, a youth league also adds to the entertainment & dollar value for paying fans. (league & afl fans resent paying a similar amount to watch a third/half the entertainment. & no, I don't care if you only get to watch one premier league game in England, as this ain't England.)
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Post by Ursus on Aug 26, 2007 19:19:35 GMT 10
This is vital and cannot happen too soon.
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Post by Trogdor on Aug 27, 2007 15:06:46 GMT 10
other teams names could be the melbourne draw
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Post by Pete on Aug 28, 2007 4:13:08 GMT 10
The "A" in the Hyundai A-League stands for Australia, I believe, like the J-League in Japan and the K-League in Korea. In which case, by referring to a "B" League, you are actually inferring another national League. A2 or Hyundai A - Youth League may be more appropriate?
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Post by Jesus on Aug 29, 2007 10:55:14 GMT 10
I think youth league is the important name. Something similar, hopefully with a major sponsor who is keen to invest in the future of Australian football.
Maybe someone like telstra, who already invest in younger football. A major sponsor would hopefully diminish some of the costs from the clubs, and would surely have the sponsor able to get advertising spots at a-league grounds for a-league matches as well.
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Post by brett on Aug 29, 2007 11:04:42 GMT 10
The "A" in the Hyundai A-League stands for Australia, I believe, like the J-League in Japan and the K-League in Korea. In which case, by referring to a "B" League, you are actually inferring another national League. A2 or Hyundai A - Youth League may be more appropriate?
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