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Post by dibo (pron. "DIB-OH") on Jul 26, 2005 16:50:56 GMT 10
should we have some sort of code of conduct that relates to our songs, as well as our other conduct inside and outside the ground?
one idea would be making sure that our songs are not sexist, racist, homophobic etc, simply because we're trying to build a base and it's good to ensure that nobody feels excluded.
i don't want to sound like the PC police but it's another way of ensuring that our group is reasonably inclusive and family and newbie friendly and it could help to build us a good reputation, where as having 100 plus mostly blokes yelling out "dwight yorke takes it up the poo" may not be quite so good?
just a thought...
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Post by marinermick on Jul 26, 2005 16:55:27 GMT 10
should we have some sort of code of conduct that relates to our songs, as well as our other conduct inside and outside the ground? one idea would be making sure that our songs are not sexist, racist, homophobic etc, simply because we're trying to build a base and it's good to ensure that nobody feels excluded. i don't want to sound like the PC police but it's another way of ensuring that our group is reasonably inclusive and family and newbie friendly and it could help to build us a good reputation, where as having 100 plus mostly blokes yelling out "dwight yorke takes it up the poo" may not be quite so good? just a thought... we have a code of conduct: if something is unacceptable they get the "dickhead" chant self-regulation is the go nothing wrong with "dwight yorke takes it up the poo" if you think this is homophobic you are wrong becuase he is not gay |
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Post by DJ on Jul 26, 2005 17:06:04 GMT 10
should we have some sort of code of conduct that relates to our songs, as well as our other conduct inside and outside the ground? one idea would be making sure that our songs are not sexist, racist, homophobic etc, simply because we're trying to build a base and it's good to ensure that nobody feels excluded. i don't want to sound like the PC police but it's another way of ensuring that our group is reasonably inclusive and family and newbie friendly and it could help to build us a good reputation, where as having 100 plus mostly blokes yelling out "dwight yorke takes it up the poo" may not be quite so good? just a thought... we have a code of conduct: if something is unacceptable they get the "dickhead" chant self-regulation is the go nothing wrong with "dwight yorke takes it up the poo" if you think this is homophobic you are wrong becuase he is not gay We have had the conversation about language and things we should and shouldn't sing in Bay 16 before, can't find the thread thou? Everyone has their own opinion on it which is fine, the only thing I would say we should not sing about is racism, it's a side of football that FIFA has been trying to stamp out for years and if we are the 'next generation of football fans' we should not sing about it! But as for swearing, tits out for the boys and Dwight Yorke takes it up the poo it's all in good fun! |
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Post by Yellowbeard on Jul 26, 2005 17:59:01 GMT 10
agree racism needs to be steered away from.
The resty of it's gotta be taken in the right spirit.
I'm sure dwight knows it's because of his reputation as a good player he is copping attention, not because 100 blokes in yellow shirts have an inkling he might like to cop it up the rear occasionally.
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Post by dibo (pron. "DIB-OH") on Jul 26, 2005 19:29:16 GMT 10
regardless of my concerns raised above, i'll be there wearing my marinators shirt and singing my guts out whenever the mariners are playing. i was just a little concerned that there may well be some who are (justifiably) uncomfortable about certain types of songs. things like "tits out for the boys" could make women marinators (like my girlfriend, who was there on saturday night) pretty uncomfortable for example. i disagree with the others on this one, but we're all entitled to our opinions so i'll leave it at that. for mine, if i don't like it, i won't sing it, and that's up to me. i don't want to censor other people, but i thought it was worth raising in order for it to be borne in mind. leaving all that aside, i'll be up on saturday if i can (i have a conference to go to in parramatta that apparently finishes at 6  ) but otherwise i'll be there for the home match, belting out tunes with you lot and making lots of noise for the boys. |
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Post by DJ on Jul 26, 2005 20:15:18 GMT 10
regardless of my concerns raised above, i'll be there wearing my marinators shirt and singing my guts out whenever the mariners are playing. i was just a little concerned that there may well be some who are (justifiably) uncomfortable about certain types of songs. things like "tits out for the boys" could make women marinators (like my girlfriend, who was there on saturday night) pretty uncomfortable for example. i disagree with the others on this one, but we're all entitled to our opinions so i'll leave it at that. for mine, if i don't like it, i won't sing it, and that's up to me. i don't want to censor other people, but i thought it was worth raising in order for it to be borne in mind. leaving all that aside, i'll be up on saturday if i can (i have a conference to go to in parramatta that apparently finishes at 6 ) but otherwise i'll be there for the home match, belting out tunes with you lot and making lots of noise for the boys. That's cool dibo as you said everyone is entitled to their own opinion! Fingers crossed you can get there for the game mate! |
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Post by lensman on Jul 26, 2005 21:24:57 GMT 10
using your wit comes off a lot better than just swearing and using really old sing alongs
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Post by sealpup on Jul 26, 2005 21:59:35 GMT 10
I had a great time in Bay 16 last Sat. night and will be there this Saturday. Bought the shirt and I hope I can keep my voice long enough this time!
I'm new at this football supporters thing, but love the way the Marinators have a darn good time singing and chanting, it inspires the rest of the crowd to speak up too I think. (Loved the mexican wave, it was a quick one eh?)
I have some reservations that some dickhead will sneak into Bay 16 and say something racist, or start a chant along those lines that I'm sure will bring the cops and security in on us like a ton of bricks.
Yorke maybe a dickhead in an opponent's team, but I don't think he or any other player deserves to be racially abused. I know there's no quick solution, but can we shout down the first dickhead that crosses the line on that aspect?
Peter
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Post by omni on Jul 26, 2005 22:21:35 GMT 10
Dibo: 2 things I have an issue with, 'Tits out for the boys', will make girls uncomfortable as well as a possible legal issue there (not that you'd get charged but just in case) and any songs with ooooooooooo f this f you f f f mcf f f is just stupid and not witty!
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Post by Dan on Jul 26, 2005 23:06:53 GMT 10
I have some reservations that some dickhead will sneak into Bay 16 and say something racist, or start a chant along those lines that I'm sure will bring the cops and security in on us like a ton of bricks. Yorke maybe a dickhead in an opponent's team, but I don't think he or any other player deserves to be racially abused. I know there's no quick solution, but can we shout down the first dickhead that crosses the line on that aspect? Glad you had a great time sealpup. Welcome to the real football experience! Singing on the terraces and banter between fans/players etc is just part of what makes it the 'beautiful game'. I have no doubt whatsoever, that should a racist chant rise up, it will be dealt with very swiftly by the good folk in bay 16. Atleast i certainly hope so. |
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Post by sacko on Jul 26, 2005 23:29:10 GMT 10
Self regulation, if its not funny people wont join in!
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Post by MrCelery on Jul 27, 2005 1:12:51 GMT 10
one idea would be making sure that our songs are not sexist, racist, homophobic etc, Bugger, that would mean we'd have to delete three-quarters of the songs on our website! ;D |
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Post by DJ on Jul 27, 2005 7:49:09 GMT 10
Dibo: 2 things I have an issue with, 'Tits out for the boys', will make girls uncomfortable as well as a possible legal issue there (not that you'd get charged but just in case) and any songs with ooooooooooo f this f you f f f mcf f f is just stupid and not witty! There's no leagal issue with tits out for the boys, it's only for fun and I seriously doubt there is anyone in Bay 16 who expects it to happen anyway. It may make some girls feel uneasy, but at the end of the day it's all in good spirit. If someone said tits out for the boys to my wife she would just laugh and say ur all drunk dickheads! |
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Post by dibo (pron. "DIB-OH") on Oct 3, 2005 17:43:33 GMT 10
returning to an old concern of mine, my girlfriend (who attended the match the other night with me) did feel quite uneasy* when the 'tits out for the boys' chant went up, and a couple of the other chants too. i've also raised concerns about some of the other chants earlier and to be honest they still stand. i still think that a reasonable person could feel very uncomfortable when some of the songs that we sing go up, and that we should avoid making other people uncomfortable at what is meant to be an inclusive and comfortable event.
of most concern though was the fact that someone called out something to the effect of "archie you black c***" the other night and that's simply not on. i'm not exactly sure who it was and wouldn't name and shame but that's the sort of thing that should be stomped down on like nobody's business.
as a more general rule, i think given that we're a vocal minority within the broader attendance (while we might attend every game, and other members of the crowd might come to some and not others, and while our support has been acknowledged to be vital to the players at any given game we're still no more than a vocal minority) we have a responsibility to make sure that our actions are at all times exemplary.
if we want to 'lead' the fans in getting behind the team, then we should be focussing on singing songs that lift the team. if one of our players commits a foul then singing that the ref's a*se is full of c*m is kinda missing the mark. more importantly, that it offends the many families and so on that sit near us is a practical inevitability, not to mention the fact that there's probably more than one person within the marinators group who is gay (1/10 of the population- do the maths) and might feel pretty uncomfortable when we sing that...
i think we've established that we don't need to swear to sing, additionally we don't need to sing songs that refer to things like the ref or opposing players being gay (it's also a crime to make abusive comments referring to peoples' sexuality) or singing tits out for the boys.
IMHO, it's not really ok to just say that people should just 'take it in the right spirit'. i'm not sure that everyone has the same view of what 'the right spirit' actually is...
this probably also refers to us bellowing at other people nearby for not standing or clapping or whatever. other people will come to the football and not stand/sing/clap/whatever and until we fill our bay and then our end with standing, singing mental fans then we're going to have to live and let live.
long story short- the marinators by and large consists of a large group of men who can be quite aggressive and intimidating, but the aggression and intimidation should be targeted at the opposition and not other fans (as it was with the 'get on your feet' thing) and not in a way that could be considered really offensive.
anyway, i'm wearing my flame-proof armour, so fire away.
* to understate matters
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Post by MrCelery on Oct 3, 2005 19:33:05 GMT 10
returning to an old concern of mine, blah, blah, ...snip Here we go again.... The Marinators language is tame in comparison to most, if not all, vocal supporters groups. I'm sick and tired of having the odd 'dickhead' singer lumped by association with the Marinators. The standards are fine as they are, with the Marinators policing their own area with the 'Dickhead hat'. If you have an issue with a person and something they sing, don't hide behind the Marinators and expect them to take care of it for you. Front the offender yourself if you are concerned enough, or report him. As for people sitting in Bay 16 and being abused for that. I think that anyone who wants to sit in a standing area deserves everything they get. Try standing in a seated area and see what reaction you get. I think that the Marinators efforts in the second half, before the second Victory goal was fantastic, especially the third verse of 'Sing a little louder..' Deafening. I still think that we are being a bit repetative at times, but that is understandable considering the full-on constant chanting we do. I don't think we stopped once in the first half. As it's been said a million times in response to concerns of your type - Don't like it - don't sit there, end of conversation. |
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Post by omni on Oct 3, 2005 20:40:09 GMT 10
Dibo what do you propose we sing - 'that wasn't the best decision you have ever made referee but hey you're human everyone makes mistakes and besides we've had one or two go our way so I guess it all pans out in the end' - can't see it taking off mate. I think you're being incredibly picky with what we sing. If you don't like it don't sing it or don't sit there - as Celery said people who sit in a standing area should expect to get treated like someone who stands in a sitting area, especially given it looks like the same people every week.
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Post by Murphs on Oct 3, 2005 20:48:20 GMT 10
whats wrong with
im blind, im deaf
i wanna be a ref
referee referee
i might understand the offence to the one about lending his mum to blokes but the blind and deaf one is harmless
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Post by DJ on Oct 3, 2005 21:35:21 GMT 10
For crying out loud!
Why don't we form the Marinators church choir and sing hymns, it's the only way we are gonna please some people!
We are at a football match not singing chritmas friggin' carols!
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Post by Perm on Oct 3, 2005 21:48:43 GMT 10
i have to agree with the "tits out for the boys" point made.
i am pretty sure thats the main reason for the marinettes starting up.
history can trace this sexism to the hallowed SCG with the ladies stand built just because they didnt like the other sex yelling in a crude manner "tits out for the boys"
circa 1920.
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Post by brett on Oct 3, 2005 22:16:59 GMT 10
i have to agree with the "tits out for the boys" point made. i am pretty sure thats the main reason for the marinettes starting up. be assured it has nothing to do with the marinettes. but this is what I say. Dont blame us for making 'gay' calls a common substitute for a generic insult. If a homosexual wanted to join the marinators, i would have no problem with it and would have a beer with the bloke like any other. Calling the ref gay has nothing to do with sexuality, it's just like calling him a dickhead, or an arsehole, or a moron, or whatever else. Dont try make it more political than it is! Tits out for the boys? This one is a bit tougher, but I think I have to defend it. NOT because I think women are objects. NOT because I think they would or should ever actually go ahead with it. It's good for a laugh, and it takes the piss, I think the girls that do take it the right way (particularly ones that yelling dicks out for the girls) know this. It's like calling auburn fat, or me an ugly little rake man, or singing at the celebrity lookalikes: making jokes against the minorities. girls happen to be a minority in our group so it's like giving them some stick for sitting with the boys, even though they are more than welcome. Blame TV and magazines for objectifying women and making saying tits out for the boys acceptable if you want to blame someone! racist calls arent on and have never been supported or sang en masse. |
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) but otherwise i'll be there for the home match, belting out tunes with you lot and making lots of noise for the boys.
