Mariners v Malaysian National Team

[marinermick]

jazzman said:

Promising signs but also a little disappointing in areas. Lucky Malaysia can't shoot huh Mick?!

yep, not a racist comment but symptomatic of many asian teams - quick and skillful but not punishing in front of goals

let's hope saso and nik stay fit - there is great potential there

kwassy was his frustrating self again - so electric and dynamic (how good was that goose step!) but at other times making simple mistakes

he did run himself in the ground and ossie was a brilliant replacement - will be a great fight to see who gets that right mid position

boogs must be a certainty for a contract

and tommy's lead up for the first goal - to quote serious "i have so much tommy love"

[DJ]

Clarkie over committed himself a couple of times I thought, and our defence would have been punished heavier on a couple of occasions if it were a better attacking opposition but in midfield and upfront I thought we did very well.

Boogs is definitely worth a contract!

A very good performance considering they have only really been in full training for a week, very encouraging start.

[marinerbhoy]

yes yes yes yes to boogard! almost scored in his 1st minute aswell

[EGGBA]

Very entertaining game i thought boogs was great, almost scored a few times was a huge threat on corners seemed like he got his head there every time. Clarky and Trott were the only players who played 90mins the young lightning boys looked very promising i think we could've scored even more goals if we only made the regular 3 subs but was good to give the future players match time and not risk injury to our stars.
I didn't notice any injury's except Browny might have hurt himself seemed to limp off.
The Malaysian keeper made some great saves to deny Sash and Nik.

[brett]

marinermick said:

jazzman said:

Promising signs but also a little disappointing in areas. Lucky Malaysia can't shoot huh Mick?!

yep, not a racist comment but symptomatic of many asian teams - quick and skillful but not punishing in front of goals

But saying that unattractive football is symptomatic of many English coaches IS racist...come on.

Not that I want to reopen that can of worms - I sincerely don't - but I couldn't let that one slip!

[northernspirit]

i thought it was a good performance from the team given we are out of season and not had regular matches... The Malaysian team was skillful and their number 8 looked spritley and had some shots saved well - bit of a worry defensively but its early days i thought it was an encouraging perfomance

[mariners4ever]

i also thought it was an entertaining match but in the first the mariners defence played pretty crap IMO

[keensy]

I was down the other end and at a perfect angle for the first goal. Hutch put it in the net after tommys shot beat the keeper. The shot looked to be hitting inside post and in, but i cant blame hutch for putting a toe on it to make sure.

I dont know what people where complaining about, it was a beautiful pluim park night, i was in a t-shirt for mot of the match(i guess im just used to the weather around here).

[marinermick]

wyomingtiger said:

marinermick said:

yep, not a racist comment but symptomatic of many asian teams - quick and skillful but not punishing in front of goals

But saying that unattractive football is symptomatic of many English coaches IS racist...come on.

Not that I want to reopen that can of worms - I sincerely don't - but I couldn't let that one slip!

cans of worms opened and i am surprised brett you couldn't differentiate what i was saying

unattractive football IS symptomatic of many (not all) english coaches - that is a fact and if you go back to that thread i was not saying this was racist

i was saying it was racist to discriminate against an english coach and saying they should not coach in australia because of that belief

each coach, just like each individual player, has to be taken on their merit and individual ability

however, on the whole, as was commented by andy harper last night, east asian football is not as clinical in front of goal as say english football

[brett]

OK, so you agree that to believe East-Asianers are generally poor finishers, Brazilians are generally skillful and tricky, English coaches generally employ ugly football etc, are simply pre-conceptions based on different football cultures, and that this is not racist.

Now,

Saying that a coach should not coach here because he is English, is racist. Agree?

Saying that a coach (of any nationality) should not coach here because he brings dull football, is not racist. Agree?

But if it is OK to come to the conclusion that most English coaches play dull football (which you agreed above) then how is it racist to comment, as the SBS guys did, that they would prefer he didn't coach Sydney because he would probably bring dull football there?

Or how is it racist to say that the inherently English style of play in grassroots football should be weeded out?

I can never remember anyone saying Terry Butcher should leave because of his race, regardless of how Sydney play. All criticism was based on how the team would play.

I can never remember anyone saying that all English coaches should be removed from grassroots either. Just that the typically 'English' style of play should be reversed.

You see, any comment that SBS or anyone has made has been about football pre-conceptions (which you gave the green light to). Yes, every coach and player does need to be judged on their own merits. And if Terry Butcher had Sydney playing like Barcelona there is no way that SBS would have still been calling for his head just because of his nationality.

Just because there are exceptions to football pre-conceptions doesn't mean it is racist to assume something about someone because of them.

[curious]

each coach, just like each individual player, has to be taken on their merit and individual ability

however, on the whole, as was commented by andy harper last night, east asian football is not as clinical in front of goal as say english football

Nor can it be, anymore than australian football can be, as each country & it's national leagues should be taken on the merits of their position in world standards & rankings.
The fact that east asian football is not as clinical in front of goal as english football (i presume you speak of premier league) is pointing out the obvious. Nor is it at clinical as any of the worlds top nations or leagues containing the worlds best players. How/why can/should it be, when the standard of football at both club & national level is way down the ladder & bugets are dwarfed by not only the premier league but many leagues around the world? Of course the top leagues & nations have superior skills all over the park. To also state the obvious, the aleague has poor skills when compared to the top leagues, but any comparison is certainly not a fair one unless it's apples for apples.
With Malaysia's world ranking in particular, of 156, it's no surprise their finsihing skills are poor, but what else do you expect from a squad ranked behind Palestine, NZ, Hong Kong, Fiji ect.?
I agree %100 that E.Asian finsihing isn't up to the standard of the Premier league or any other top level league, but no reasonable person would expect otherwise.

[marinermick]

curious said:

each coach, just like each individual player, has to be taken on their merit and individual ability

however, on the whole, as was commented by andy harper last night, east asian football is not as clinical in front of goal as say english football

Nor can it be, anymore than australian football can be, as each country & it's national leagues should be taken on the merits of their position in world standards & rankings.
The fact that east asian football is not as clinical in front of goal as english football (i presume you speak of premier league) is pointing out the obvious. Nor is it at clinical as any of the worlds top nations or leagues containing the worlds best players. How/why can/should it be, when the standard of football at both club & national level is way down the ladder & bugets are dwarfed by not only the premier league but many leagues around the world? Of course the top leagues & nations have superior skills all over the park. To also state the obvious, the aleague has poor skills when compared to the top leagues, but any comparison is certainly not a fair one unless it's apples for apples.
With Malaysia's world ranking in particular, of 156, it's no surprise their finsihing skills are poor, but what else do you expect from a squad ranked behind Palestine, NZ, Hong Kong, Fiji ect.?
I agree %100 that E.Asian finsihing isn't up to the standard of the Premier league or any other top level league, but no reasonable person would expect otherwise.

no you are right

it was bad comparison on my behalf and not well explained

what i meant to say is that east asia's finishing in front of goals (on the whoel) is poor in comparison to other aspects of its game - skill, pace, technique

this was highlighted tuesday as malaysia could have had the game won in the second half

on the whole one the english league finishing and ruthlessness in front of goal is actually one of their strengths

so when i was making that comparison it was in terms of the strengths and weaknesses of both sides - not a direct comparison

[travellingman]

marinermick said:

curious said:

Nor can it be, anymore than australian football can be, as each country & it's national leagues should be taken on the merits of their position in world standards & rankings.
The fact that east asian football is not as clinical in front of goal as english football (i presume you speak of premier league) is pointing out the obvious. Nor is it at clinical as any of the worlds top nations or leagues containing the worlds best players. How/why can/should it be, when the standard of football at both club & national level is way down the ladder & bugets are dwarfed by not only the premier league but many leagues around the world? Of course the top leagues & nations have superior skills all over the park. To also state the obvious, the aleague has poor skills when compared to the top leagues, but any comparison is certainly not a fair one unless it's apples for apples.
With Malaysia's world ranking in particular, of 156, it's no surprise their finsihing skills are poor, but what else do you expect from a squad ranked behind Palestine, NZ, Hong Kong, Fiji ect.?
I agree %100 that E.Asian finsihing isn't up to the standard of the Premier league or any other top level league, but no reasonable person would expect otherwise.

no you are right

it was bad comparison on my behalf and not well explained

what i meant to say is that east asia's finishing in front of goals (on the whoel) is poor in comparison to other aspects of its game - skill, pace, technique

this was highlighted tuesday as malaysia could have had the game won in the second half

on the whole one the english league finishing and ruthlessness in front of goal is actually one of their strengths

so when i was making that comparison it was in terms of the strengths and weaknesses of both sides - not a direct comparison

Last few posts sounds like handbags at twenty yards! Brothers, sisters of the world unite and give each other a group hug .
Now lets all jump into the spa and see who blows bubbles!

[curious]

Last few posts sounds like handbags at twenty yards! Brothers, sisters of the world unite and give each other a group hug .
Now lets all jump into the spa and see who blows bubbles!

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me."
-Dudley Field Malone

[marinerbhoy]

back on topic.
how does everyone feels about matt simon? what is he like when he plays for lightning? i just dont honestly see why he is hyped up. the other youngins seem to have a lot more potential

[mariners4ever]

IMO simon must be signed as another striker if lawrie decides to use kwassie in the RM position

[robc]

marinerbhoy said:

back on topic.
how does everyone feels about matt simon? what is he like when he plays for lightning? i just dont honestly see why he is hyped up. the other youngins seem to have a lot more potential

I dont want him signed. I agree with what you said about the other youngns

[bobandbill]

Hmm, i for one like Simon, and his three goals today in Hong Kong says something... But it seems that recently the Mariners have been filled with youngsters that are full of promise - lawrie wiil have a though time choosing i think.