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Post by dibo (pron. "DIB-OH") on Aug 20, 2007 13:12:37 GMT 10
there already is a 4 import limit for the HAL and 3 for the ACL. Yes mate I know. I said containment. Imports taking 4 of 11 starting spots is quite enough. on the contrary - if we're going to bother to sign imports you want them to be starting XI material. if they're fit they should be there. they offer more benefit on the park than not, and are still helpful to aussie young'uns at training etc. as nobody's saying we should have no imports, it comes down to a question of degree rather than absolute - how many do you want at the clubs?. i think 3 is a better number than 4, simply because it matches up with the ACL number... |
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Post by Pete on Aug 20, 2007 13:17:04 GMT 10
Yeah, the HAL should be aligned with the requirements of the ACL.
We saw how hard it was for Adelaide and Sydney to sign extra squad members for their ACL stints when they could increase their squad numbers up. Probably upset the rhythm of the team introducing new squad members in the few weeks leading up to big matches either here or OS. If the squad numbers were the same then the players would already be contracted and well versed on how the team plays.
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Post by curious on Aug 20, 2007 19:59:04 GMT 10
Your misunderstanding me dibo. I agree. You not going to bother spending above average dollars & importing a player if he isn't of starting quality. It was the numbers taken by them in the starting line up I was refering to.
Agree with 3
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Post by beowulf on Aug 22, 2007 11:40:14 GMT 10
Didnt mention anything about selling out... I just feel a swell of pride for the mariners when i see the 11 men take the field knowing that they grew up on Australian food, learned to play on Australian grass and most of all, got their shot at the big time from Australian fans. Id hate to see most of these 11 spots be replaced by an influx of overseas stars, potentially taking away that shot from a local kid, because isnt that really what the a-league is all about? Long story short, i dont want the A-league heavyweights to be determined by who has the best scout in brazil (Yes Mr Merrick, im talking to you), i want it to be determined by who has the best community strength, the highest team cognition and passion and most of all, the team that does whats best for its supporters, not its sponsors..., all these things really come to mind when i think of the Mariners and i guess it all comes down to local pride, we have plenty of it here on the Coast. Bring on all your foreign players that cant even speak english, we are waiting! I know some forum members seem to be frightened of the R word, but some of these assumptions cannot go unchallenged. Shipwreck is mixing pride in a locally grown footballer with the language and phrases of racism. In this day and age of global travel and constant migration, to talk of those who grew up on Australian food and those who learned to play on Australian grass is to exclude a large proportion of the population. It sends the message that unless you are at least a first generation Australian born player you are not good enough (even though you might be), you are somehow unwanted and that you are definitely an 'Other'. And I suspect this is not the message that Shipwreck wanted to send. As an Australian citizen who has lived here for a decade, I hold equal pride in the other sides of my cultural identities, from being born and living overseas. When I hear suggestions that I or my children are not good enough for particular roles because I'm not an Ovaltiny or a Vegemite kid, I find it offensive and menacing. If the Mariners are going to select local talent over imported players it is going to be for other reasons than some perverted nationalism. |
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Post by Pete on Aug 22, 2007 12:29:24 GMT 10
If the Mariners are going to select local talent over imported players it is going to be for other reasons than some perverted nationalism. Yes! I think if the Mariners wanted to get South American players they'd only probably have to look no further than their goalkeeping coach, Mr. John Crawley, and his past connections with Chilean football. As an old boy of one of their top teams, I'm sure JC could get some talented youths introduced to him thru the club scene there, if the Mariners wanted to go down that path. But why would they when they have established the Academy, have a long term plan to promote local talent, and realise that for every Fred in the Melbourne Victory side, there was a Claudinho too. Also they may get more bang for their buck out of the Academy if one of the Academy's players turns out a brilliant player and the Mariners have covered their development costs with a decent legal contract binding future earnings (or some portion) back to the Mariners. There has been suggestions that recruitment from afar is hit and miss, but it is also an educated guess that local players can meet the standards too. But the Mariners are being wiser with their money by recruiting closer to home and lessening their exposure in $$ terms, should that player not fit in with the team or be unable to match the standard of the HAL. |
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Post by marinermick on Aug 22, 2007 12:35:35 GMT 10
If the Mariners are going to select local talent over imported players it is going to be for other reasons than some perverted nationalism. Yes! I think if the Mariners wanted to get South American players they'd only probably have to look no further than their goalkeeping coach, Mr. John Crawley, and his past connections with Chilean football. As an old boy of one of their top teams, I'm sure JC could get some talented youths introduced to him thru the club scene there, if the Mariners wanted to go down that path. But why would they when they have established the Academy, have a long term plan to promote local talent, and realise that for every Fred in the Melbourne Victory side, there was a Claudinho too. Also they may get more bang for their buck out of the Academy if one of the Academy's players turns out a brilliant player and the Mariners have covered their development costs with a decent legal contract binding future earnings (or some portion) back to the Mariners. There has been suggestions that recruitment from afar is hit and miss, but it is also an educated guess that local players can meet the standards too. But the Mariners are being wiser with their money by recruiting closer to home and lessening their exposure in $$ terms, should that player not fit in with the team or be unable to match the standard of the HAL. amen to all that as brett pointed out gumpy was already a proven national league player when we chased him also the reason we chased milton as well lawrie's coaching is built around the team game on and off the park and he has to be careful in choosing players that do not disrupt this team's performance |
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Post by curious on Aug 22, 2007 15:32:48 GMT 10
Cannot disagree with that.
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Post by ~Floss~ on Aug 22, 2007 21:19:53 GMT 10
IMO, recruiting internationals is "hit and miss", but the "hit" (if it happens) is likely to be short-lived or very expensive once they have proven themselves for the first season.
On the other hand, home-grown talent can potentially provide several seasons of value; They experience years of working hard to prove they deserve a spot, and they choose to live in this region/community for reasons other than basking in their own celebrity status.
While this may be a generalisation, the suggestion that it's racist is ridiculous.
If someone was going to be racist, wouldn't they care more about which country someone's genes and heritage come from, not the last country they played in?
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Post by newieutd on Aug 23, 2007 8:18:41 GMT 10
While this may be a generalisation, the suggestion that it's racist is ridiculous. The concept of playing only home-grown talent is not racist , the way i read the first post came across as racist. I did state that the person may not be racist, i felt his post came across as that. That is all. Sorry for any confusion. |
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Post by curious on Aug 23, 2007 11:46:50 GMT 10
While this may be a generalisation, the suggestion that it's racist is ridiculous. That is all. Sorry for any confusion. Where did you get your " Anti bad manners inoculation" shot & is it covered by medicare? If you have a url link. I'll post it on the jet's forum. Sorry...couldn't help myself.  |
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Post by newieutd on Aug 23, 2007 14:47:27 GMT 10
That is all. Sorry for any confusion. Where did you get your " Anti bad manners inoculation" shot & is it covered by medicare? If you have a url link. I'll post it on the jet's forum. Sorry...couldn't help myself. i got it from the same place i got "my super sexy" needle  |
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Post by Pete on Aug 24, 2007 3:18:18 GMT 10
Where did you get your " Anti bad manners inoculation" shot & is it covered by medicare? If you have a url link. I'll post it on the jet's forum. Sorry...couldn't help myself. i got it from the same place i got "my super sexy" needle What?  ? Has Mario introduced you guys to "nice' drugs? ;D |
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? Has Mario introduced you guys to "nice' drugs? ;D