Central Coast office relocation to pacific Island

[tigger]

I believe the Central Coast Football new office and general manager are now located somewhere in the pacific Islands for the next six months. With the season just around the corner and nothing but problems with ground allocation for clubs plus 60 or 70 boys holding their breath to see if they will be playing football in the northern new south wales leagues for 2006 I would say this is a good move, I wonder who approved it.

[offtheball]

Tigger I hope the boys and their parents have snorkels.

CCF web site yesterday apologised for the delay for these boys and their parents and promised an announcement after 1pm today. Apology has been deleted and what a surprise no announcement.

Seeing they trialed in October and have paid a $300 deposit CCF is a joke. Club rego is tomorrow what are they meant to do. Wait another six months.

Maybe the lucky ones are the boys who received letters to say they were in the Lightning North side then a week later received letters to say they weren't.

[marinermick]

tigger said:

I believe the Central Coast Football new office and general manager are now located somewhere in the pacific Islands for the next six months. With the season just around the corner and nothing but problems with ground allocation for clubs plus 60 or 70 boys holding their breath to see if they will be playing football in the northern new south wales leagues for 2006 I would say this is a good move, I wonder who approved it.

I think it is abysmal this is happening in a very important year for Central Coast football.

Feel sorry for Amber and Murray in the office who will need to take up so much slack.

[theancientmariner]

The GM Michael Keech was approached to take a consultant's role with the Vanuatu Olympic and Commonwelath Games Federation on a part time basis. It involves him being in Vanuatu for some of the next few months. He will be in Australia for 42 of the next 97 days and even when in Vanuatu in constant contact with the office and still performing his duties.

It is a feather in local footballs cap to have an administrator so highly regarded in the general world of sports administration.

This was approved unanimously by all 22 clubs. Maybe you should speak to the 22 club delegates who considered the proposal at great length over a four week period before making their decision if you think it is such a disaster.

[marinermick]

theancientmariner said:

The GM Michael Keech was approached to take a consultant's role with the Vanuatu Olympic and Commonwelath Games Federation on a part time basis. It involves him being in Vanuatu for some of the next few months. He will be in Australia for 42 of the next 97 days and even when in Vanuatu in constant contact with the office and still performing his duties.

It is a feather in local footballs cap to have an administrator so highly regarded in the general world of sports administration.

This was approved unanimously by all 22 clubs. Maybe you should speak to the 22 club delegates who considered the proposal at great length over a four week period before making their decision if you think it is such a disaster.

feather in the cap or not the core business of central coast football is to deliver football programs on the coast not at the pacific islands

[offtheball]

100% right Mick. If all was going well in Coast football perhaps it would be excusable.

[theancientmariner]

I find your attitudes appalling, ignorant and uninformed. Can anyone tell me one single thing that has suffered with the GM being away for the past 12 days. Better still can any one tell me one aspect of his job that he has not performed whilst being in Vila. You are all so well informed that you know about the conference calls, video links, meetings etc, as well as his daily communications with the staff and board, daily phone calls and meetings with stakeholders. The delay in the announcement of SoccerNSWs decision not to allow Central Coast teams to play in the NNSW competition was due to the GM getting the board to peruse and ratify the release, especially considering the sensitive attitude of SoccerNSW. You say "if all was going well in Coast football then perhaps it would be excusable" - I'm sorry but you are in no position to pass judgment or be able to deem whether or not the GMs work performance is acceptable or not.

[marinermick]

theancientmariner said:

I find your attitudes appalling, ignorant and uninformed. Can anyone tell me one single thing that has suffered with the GM being away for the past 12 days. Better still can any one tell me one aspect of his job that he has not performed whilst being in Vila. You are all so well informed that you know about the conference calls, video links, meetings etc, as well as his daily communications with the staff and board, daily phone calls and meetings with stakeholders. The delay in the announcement of SoccerNSWs decision not to allow Central Coast teams to play in the NNSW competition was due to the GM getting the board to peruse and ratify the release, especially considering the sensitive attitude of SoccerNSW. You say "if all was going well in Coast football then perhaps it would be excusable" - I'm sorry but you are in no position to pass judgment or be able to deem whether or not the GMs work performance is acceptable or not.

The fact that you don't know makes your statement ignorant and uninformed in that you make this blanket staement. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

You ask for one thing that has gone wrong - the fact that the pre-season debacle with the ovals has not been fixed yet. And what for the shit to hit the fan even more when the kiddies begin training and there is no where for them to train.

Stay tuned for more.

[dragonlady]

the oval shortage is council related and council is oldfashioned and stubbern. how can 1 person make a difference? even if it is the gm? i'm with theancientmariner with it being a honor.

[marinermick]

dragonlady said:

the oval shortage is council related and council is oldfashioned and stubbern. how can 1 person make a difference? even if it is the gm? i'm with theancientmariner with it being a honor.

that one person is employed to represent the coast both administratively and politically

despite the wonders of the net this cannot be done overseas as relationships are built and maintained face to face

[theancientmariner]

marinermick said:

dragonlady said:

the oval shortage is council related and council is oldfashioned and stubbern. how can 1 person make a difference? even if it is the gm? i'm with theancientmariner with it being a honor.

that one person is employed to represent the coast both administratively and politically

despite the wonders of the net this cannot be done overseas as relationships are built and maintained face to face

Perhaps the kiddies might have somewhere to train if an official of your club Mick, hadn't pissed off the Wyong Mayor at the CCSA presentation with her comments. So much so that he subsequently openly stated that he would never do another favour for your club again. And now what happens - the council changes their rules about pre-season training.

It may look good as a rant, but you are way out of touch with the reality of the situation with the GM. I would think that as someone who has some experience in the media, (and does a very good job as well I should add), you would have researched your facts a bit more thoroughly first.

[marinermick]

theancientmariner said:

marinermick said:

that one person is employed to represent the coast both administratively and politically

despite the wonders of the net this cannot be done overseas as relationships are built and maintained face to face

Perhaps the kiddies might have somewhere to train if an official of your club Mick, hadn't pissed off the Wyong Mayor at the CCSA presentation with her comments. So much so that he subsequently openly stated that he would never do another favour for your club again. And now what happens - the council changes their rules about pre-season training.

It may look good as a rant, but you are way out of touch with the reality of the situation with the GM. I would think that as someone who has some experience in the media, (and does a very good job as well I should add), you would have researched your facts a bit more thoroughly first.

again you make broad assumptions about situations and people you do not know about and make sweeping comments when you do not know what they know

and to think that council has changed policy becuase of one person's comments is drawing a very very long bow

[marinermick]

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[offtheball]

A little irony the GM's calling on Soccer NSW to front parents at Pluim tomorrow to explain their decision when he won't even be there.

What you say is fairly true about not being properly informed, but this does seem to be the GM's policy. Keep everyone guessing, let them hear the rumours and turn them into fact.

There is no excuse for the way CCF have handled this situation. All they had to do was inform the relevant parties of what was happening as they themselves knew. Trials for Youth League were held in October and some kids didn't know if they were selected or not till the week before Christmas.

Twenty eight boys were told they were in the 14's Lightning team but not whether they were in the SYL or NNSWYL. Pay your $300 deposit and we will let you know which team you are in in due course ( 3 months). All they had to say is you have been selected in the "B" side, we are not sure it is going ahead we will keep you informed via the web site weekly till a final decision is made. How bloody hard is it.

The 15's Lightning Squad was cut to 24 players. They were told to come back the next week. The 24 assembled to warm up, before a muscle was stretched 7 were told sorry we have decided to cut you thanks for coming, don't worry though you have been the first selected for the Northern NSW team. One of the boys didn't go on a school camp so he could be told tough luck kid.

Some consolation I suppose except a month later CCF announced trials for the NNSW Lightning Under 15's. Two of the boys who hadn't been totally pissed off with the whole fiasco fronted up at Mt Penang their parents told the coach they had already been to trials at Pluim and assured of selection. The coach said he knew nothing of this and no one was pre selected.

I am very well informed from the many disenchanted players and parents, it is the CCF who have a problem enlightening us.

[dragonlady]

you may want to get your facts right before you spout your mouth off.... the meeting is next week when the GM is back in the country. as far as i know the kids were all selected exept the 18s who are still trialling with sully and hutcho man back in november. it's easy to bad mouth people from an anonymous forum but is it solving any problems? if you are that concerned, write a f*cking letter or go in in person. you are adding to the problem, not solving it you tw*t. i have a kid in the lightning program too... it' frustrating but i know that a large portion of the problem is snsw. maybe you should educate yourself.

[offtheball]

All of the problems of communication have nothing to do with SNSW.

[offtheball]

dragonlady said:

you may want to get your facts right before you spout your mouth off.... the meeting is next week when the GM is back in the country. as far as i know the kids were all selected exept the 18s who are still trialling with sully and hutcho man back in november. it's easy to bad mouth people from an anonymous forum but is it solving any problems? if you are that concerned, write a f*cking letter or go in in person. you are adding to the problem, not solving it you tw*t. i have a kid in the lightning program too... it' frustrating but i know that a large portion of the problem is snsw. maybe you should educate yourself.

Ice I was a little taken aback by your vitriolic diatribe.

Of course the forum is anonymous everyone is conscious of that when using it, strange then when people periodically abuse posters for hiding behind their anonymity.

I endeavour to get my facts straight prior to "shooting off my mouth." Of course in your attack on me you fail to mention that the meeting was set originally for tonight, as I said, and then changed without pointing out the change to the concerned parties. Another example of very poor communication, can't blame the GM this time he's not in the country.

Why was the date changed? I have no idea. Maybe he thought, as I do, that he should be at the meeting after calling on the presence of SNSW.

I wonder how many people are going to turn up for the meeting at 6:30 tonight, after all that is when it was reported to be on in yesterday's Daily Telegraph. Hopefully through word of mouth they will find out, that's CCF policy isn't it?

I have spoken about how poorly trials were run and kids informed of their outcome. You say "as far as you know everyone was informed by November" well if that's the case you know Jack! What I said was from numerous sources, parents whose kids were selected and from those who missed out. Anyone I have spoken to has been in total agreeance about how poorly information has been disseminated.

On the other hand it is good to see CCF has approached clubs to ensure the boys are welcomed back to Club Football with a minimum of drama through the scheme they announced yesterday. I

I am sure CCF access this forum, seeing one of their employees is a regular poster. Hopefully they will make some effort to be a little more open with their constituents after reading some of the criticisms.

[Rowdy]

A large portion of the problem is Soccer NSW!

You gotta be kidding?

This bloke comes from administrating another sport, Basketball, and then openly declares to the NSW Soccer Federation that the Association (CCSA/CCF), that he works for, that he 'not only want's to play in the Federations Premier League' BUT 'will also be playing in another State' (that's right, Northern NSW Federation are looked at as a psuedo State by Soccer Australia/FFA)

What does he think Soccer NSW were going to do about this blatant 'shove that up your arse if we don't get into the Prem League'.

Everybody including Blind Freddy new how Soccer NSW were going to respond. They've treated the CCSA/CCF like the misbehaving little brat that it has become, let it think that it's getting a lollie and gave it smack on the arse instead!

In the meantime all the Player's, Kid's&Parents, supporters and Volunteers suffer as a consequence.

And OTB is right about not being enlightened by the CCF or more importantly MR Keech, far the opposite.

He and the Association are claiming that they CCF have taken over the the right's/management/licences that were held by Central Coast United Football Club, who hold the licence AND still do (straight from the mouth of Director of Competitions at SNSW)

The members of CCUFC held a meeting (which I was present for) at Pluim Park (illegally chaired by Mr Keech as he was not a director/or member/parent and on the night said that the CCSA had handed back full control of the Club to the board of the CCUFC,why was he even there?)

Oh now I remeber! to tell/convince the members that there was no way out for ther CCUFC and it would be better for all to vote for "a vote of no-confidence in the Board of Directors of CCUFC", which all there did(majority vote won) and to also to vote for "the appointment of an Administrator for the process of folding the club and liquidating", which all present did(again majority vote won out.) paperwork went round and all there signed it with these 2 articles being ratified by the members.

BUT and here's the devil in the detail, The NSW Department of Trading were not informed of the cease in operation of the Club or forms lodged to that effect.

I've been contacted by the Dept. of fair Trading who are in the process of investigating this breach of the LAW! That's right it 's against the law to hold a meeting of a PTY LTD which CCUFC were, declare bankruptcy, fail to tell the State Government about it and then just say that this organisation over here called Central Coast Football(trading under the name of Lightning) will take over the licences and just continue to play, sorry legal term is TRADE.

And then there's the Australian Tax Office which also aren't aware of this sham.

There's the people who are owed large sum's ofmoney (creditors)from the CCUFC, of which I'm one of them and a few friends as well.

To top it all off, I've just ben told that Matthew Trott, the new signing for the Mariners and former CCUFC goal keeper is being led to believe that he's under contract to Central Coast Football, because he signed a 2 year deal with CCUFC, and now the CCFootball have the rights to this contract by takeover of the CCUFC.

What a load of shit! Trying to screw a former player out of earning more money now that he's cracked the A-League. I don't know if Trotti is aware of this, but you can bet you arse I'll be letting him know as well as being prepared to go to court to testify to the same effect if need be. Don't think Boog's signed for any more than 1 year , but if he did he's in the same category.

NewsFlash! Central Coast Fotball, you can't take over a business entity (CCUFC Pty Ltd) if it don't exist!

Stay tuned for more, especially in regard to the Dept of Fair Trading.

Oh nearly forgot! was told by someone at SoccerNSW that they had received an application for a job at SNSW by SOMEONE at the Central Coast Football, which at the time of applying for the job was still the CCSA. Makes you wonder where there allegiances lie in the future of Football on the Central Coast, then to be apart of an organisation which turns around and snub's it's nose at the same place you just tried to get a job!

Logic? Me thinks not, more like looking after ones next seat at the dinning table of life.

[beowulf]

Views on this matter are obviously polarised.

While members of the CCSA board are no doubt keen to be seen supporting Mr Keech (they would have approved his appointment I presume) the view from the bottom is slightly different.

I don't want to take an extreme view but I have to point out the following:

• Rep team selection was a shambles. No one knew what they were doing or where (NSW Super Youth League or NNSW) for months. Sydney teams had selected and begun trials by December!
  
  Communication from above is not very informative and is hidden behind so much jargon (I have never heard such jargon and technospeak as comes from Mr Keech). Just check out some of the stuff on their website from Mr Keech if you don't believe me and see if you can understand it.
  
  Everything seems to be everyone else's fault and never Mr M's. If it's not SNSW or the parents at fault it is a misunderstanding!
  
  The decision to enter a team in the NNSW competition, while seemingly giving our kids another opening, does appear ill-conceived and unwise from the outset. It was always presented to the parents and kids as a fait accompli when in fact it now seems it was forever doomed to fail. Refunds to those who have paid can clearly not be backed up by cash, as offers of registration credits are being made to clubs.
  
  Mr Keech's absence in Vanuatu might well have been good for sport in general and for his own personal advancement (I've got no problem with that) but it came at a bad time and created the wrong impression of the captain leaving the bridge at a crucial time.
  
  Induction night has not materialised yet (ok, it clashed with the a-league semis) nor has uniform.
  
  My prediction is that if things don't get back to normal, then coaches and players may well leave. People need security and solid assurances not more empty promises.
  
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I don't like disloyalty and I'm all for giving people a chance, but we also have to recognise shortcomings and some appear blinded to those shortcomings.

[dragonlady]

fair enough about the selections. i thought they were disorganized myself. but the notice board has had a revamp and seems to be more informative.

it is my understanding from speaking to the office and also the letters i've received that the players are to get their gear at the induction night. I personally see this as fair as i'm willing to be not evryone has paid their fees.... according to the board, the induction night has been re-scheduled to the 27th so it's not conflicting with the a-league.

I do not see how nnsw was doomed to fail when snsw had given the go-ahead verbally. it is only through changing their mind that the boys got screwed. i saw the news story on it in dec or nov when the first appeal went in