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Post by jigsaw on May 24, 2007 23:04:51 GMT 10
6 rounds into the comp and some teams still cant help themselves from poaching from other clubs to ensure their success on the table. I thought junior football meant more than just the silverware at the end of the season - shame on Tuggerah U/16 A's.
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Post by marinermick on May 25, 2007 8:36:01 GMT 10
6 rounds into the comp and some teams still cant help themselves from poaching from other clubs to ensure their success on the table. I thought junior football meant more than just the silverware at the end of the season - shame on Tuggerah U/16 A's. [yawn] it's obvious the player was not happy at the club/coach/training if he leaves six games in |
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Post by jigsaw on May 25, 2007 9:59:18 GMT 10
I can understand that if a player is unhappy he will leave, personality conflicts between coaches and other players do occur. 6 weeks earlier this kid was eagery to sign up and bring two of his mates to the team and was not unhappy. An approach by the Tuggerah coach after their game saw him change his mind and pack his bags on a promise top play for the top side. Some young players are easily led but imo this type of approach by adults mid season is not ethical. My view of junior football is that you provide opportunities to your local kids to become the best players that they can, skills, fitness, tactics, teamwork and character, its not about scouring the coast for the best players that the drovers dog could lead to a championship.
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Post by curious on May 25, 2007 10:39:04 GMT 10
Is it a step up in grade for the kid?
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Post by offtheball on May 25, 2007 18:25:03 GMT 10
6 rounds into the comp and some teams still cant help themselves from poaching from other clubs to ensure their success on the table. I thought junior football meant more than just the silverware at the end of the season - shame on Tuggerah U/16 A's. If you're not happy, and you voice that openly, and an opposing coach says come and play for us. I suppose it is poaching/opportunism but what is the alternative? The kid give the game away. You seem to be inferring the Tuggerah coach has poached many players this season, I don't think that is the case. |
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Post by Pete on May 25, 2007 19:37:31 GMT 10
I haven't played for years, and I have never played in this district, but....
I thought once a player registered with a club/team, and the Association accepted the team into the comp and accepted the registration of those players, that was it. Couldn't play for another club/team til next season. Isn't that the situation on the Central Coast?
In my old comp (Bankstown Juniors), there was a period of grace to allow a player to jump up or go down a grade or find another club if they didn't like the team they had signed for, but usually that was only up to about 3 or 4 rounds.
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Post by mortez on May 26, 2007 10:41:34 GMT 10
The better players will always want to play with the best players. If the change of club was for this reason fair enough. Nothing more frustrating for a player to be in a team that he cant play with.
Put Tommy P into any Central Coast Club side and you would soon see that it would be hard for him to play his natural game with the team.
Not good at all.
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Post by benchwarmer on May 26, 2007 16:32:41 GMT 10
I think that people flatter the coach of Tuggerah U16A's by thinking that he has so much pull that a mere offer would lure a boy away from his original club. People need to consider the reasons behind a boy leaving a club. If a boy turns up at training and some of his fellow team-mates are doing the "wrong thing" instead of training that may give a boy a valid reason to approach a friend who plays for another team to look for a spot on an alternative team! Perhaps you might want to consider that these boys approach the coach, I know my boy did as do others who are despondent when their value as a player is not recognised! How very Australian to continue the "Tall Poppy" syndrome. Basically he is a damn good coach and maybe you could speak to the boys who play for this coach, listen to what they have to say, they love him.
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Post by benchwarmer on May 27, 2007 7:24:32 GMT 10
Also this young fella I believe did voice his concerns to various adults only for his comments to fall on deaf ears. I know for a fact he played in goals for two weeks when he his a very good defending player, he was frustrated and dissalusioned, this is the reason he left his club, a club he had been with for some time incidentally. The kid has found someone who can develop his tallent isnt that what its about, the majority of the kids in the team have been around this coach on and off since they were six way back in the Foley days, paoching, wake up to yourselves.
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Post by curious on May 28, 2007 10:19:38 GMT 10
The OP and the rest of us should be carefull what is said regarding underage kids. To name a club is sailing close to the wind. Reading past threads concerning junior football indicate a degree of bitchy behaviour from adults that isn't in the best interest of the kids.
If any kid is good enough to play the top grade & is given the chance to do so, good luck to him/her & credit for the oppurtunity given. Politics & sour grapes by adults turn too many talented kids away from the game.
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Post by orangeman on May 28, 2007 13:15:56 GMT 10
I am available to be poached...if the money is right....C'mon Ourimbah, u know u want me LOL
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Post by marinermick on May 28, 2007 13:18:32 GMT 10
I am available to be poached...if the money is right....C'mon Ourimbah, u know u want me LOL AA5 is pretty desperate at the moment but the last thing we need is another overweight washed up hack we have plenty of those already |
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Post by benchwarmer on May 29, 2007 11:48:26 GMT 10
Tuggerah Under 16A's need a goalkeeper or a left back anyone know where our coach can poach one from please!!!
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Post by benchwarmer on May 29, 2007 11:51:53 GMT 10
And I agree about using the names of people or clubs before the facts are known, defamation laws apply to the internet as well as anywhere else so lets just use some good judgement here. Shame on Jigsaw.........!
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Post by hilly1981 on Jun 2, 2007 9:09:55 GMT 10
Does anyone think that there are "under the table" transactions going on when clubs attempt to lure players during the off season?
Im not directly referring to the above case but is it known to occur despite being against CCF rules?
Just curious thats all.
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Post by mortez on Jun 2, 2007 14:46:19 GMT 10
Players will always want to play where they will be happy. If a club cannot provide the right environment to be happy they will move on.
Gone are the days where any loyalty exists. Clubs always do what is best for Club, so why shoudnt players do what is best for themselves.
If Football Clubs are providing the correct coaching and or development, the players that want to take theirFootball seriously will always be attracted to that club or team.
This is not POACHING
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Post by sacko on Jun 14, 2007 22:18:03 GMT 10
How about our star centre foward - was he poached or fished!  |
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Post by Andy on Jun 14, 2007 22:21:47 GMT 10
How about our star centre foward - was he poached or fished! Did something actually happen to Fish? |
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Post by sacko on Jun 14, 2007 22:31:16 GMT 10
Fried! ;D
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Post by lrr on Jun 26, 2007 11:13:31 GMT 10
while sure this matter perhaps should not have come up in this forum, but now that it has i shall (hopefully) shed some light.
dismissing a complaint like this with a [yawn] and a cliche without any knowledge of facts is not quite fair on jigsaw or anyone else involved.
in reality, while the player is perhaps frustrated, it cannot be said that it is the clubs fault when a team of 14 in pre-season is reduced to 10, 6 weeks in due to injury (broken leg), players leaving the area suddenly and work commitments.
not only does the player have a commitment to the club he signed up for, he also has a commitment to the other players in the team that he has now left behind to fend for themselves in the top junior competition on the coast with less than a full team. they may even have to disband which would turn the premier youth grade on the coast into an imbalanced mess.
you talk about club loyalty being a thing of the past - sure maybe in europe - but these kids are 15 and playing for fun, not money.
when the top side in the comp is playing a side near the bottom that is already obviously struggling with numbers (9), and this top side has ample reserves to choose from, maybe the coach should think beyond his own ego and wait till the season finishes before stealing a struggling teams best player.
i'm certainly not blaming the poor kid involved that has been forced to make a tough decision by the way, it is just my opinion that he shouldn't have been tempted in the first place.
sorry to bump this previously finished thread but if this is the normal state of affairs in junior football here it has obviously changed dramatically for the worse even from when i played in a similar competition a mere 5 years ago.
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