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Post by Chimmi Churri on Mar 1, 2007 10:04:07 GMT 10
eh, not really - if we sung chants by popularity of other clubs then one day we would be in grave danger of singing 'shoes off for the Mariners'
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Post by forzamariners on Mar 1, 2007 10:55:54 GMT 10
For f*** sake, these songs have been sung at football games WORLD WIDE for near enough 100 years, and I sure as hell wont stop singing them just cos a few people MIGHT be offended. Trying to stop people from swearing at football games is like trying to stop Joel Griffiths from diving, ITS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. Agree 100% |
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Post by dibo (pron. "DIB-OH") on Mar 1, 2007 11:10:38 GMT 10
to the tune of country roads
[scarves up muthaf***as]
Almost heaven
Gosford city
Brisbane water
Lined with palm trees
Sky is sunny
Life is easy
Standing on the terrace
With the yellow army
Mariners
take me home
To the place
I belong
From the beaches
To mangrove mountain
Take me home
Mariners
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Post by dibo (pron. "DIB-OH") on Mar 1, 2007 11:15:04 GMT 10
For f*** sake, these songs have been sung at football games WORLD WIDE for near enough 100 years, and I sure as hell wont stop singing them just cos a few people MIGHT be offended. Trying to stop people from swearing at football games is like trying to stop Joel Griffiths from diving, ITS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. Agree 100% as anyone who speaks to me face to face will know, i've got no issues personally with dropping a few choice words into my everyday conversation. the issue we have (and have had for some time now) is security, who will boot people starting songs with the choice words. in particular the folks on the megaphones cannot swear, or we lose the megs. while i've don't see the re-hashing of this debate as harmful (just because i've heard it 5 times already doesn't mean the n00bs have, and they need to know the reasons at least as much as i do) it's worth just laying those basic facts out, and letting it go from there. |
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Post by Adz on Mar 1, 2007 11:42:22 GMT 10
while i've don't see the re-hashing of this debate as harmful (just because i've heard it 5 times already doesn't mean the n00bs have, and they need to know the reasons at least as much as i do) it's worth just laying those basic facts out, and letting it go from there. Fair enough then. What it basically comes down to is the arguments *against* swearing in songs far outweigh the arguments *for*. * It is a family atmosphere with kids around * They can just move to another area * The sound travels around the ground and they can still hear it * But everybody else swears in their songs * If everybody else jumped off a bridge... etc.  * Can't you come up with something witty and intelligent without resorting to the use of profanity? * But then we won't look "hard core" And just to extend the swearing debate, families also feel uncomfortable with the amount of sexual content in songs. If you take out all the songs with a hint of swearing, and the ones involving someone taking it up the butt, there goes most of the list. Where do you draw the line? Answer: Come up with new songs that don't involve swearing or anal sex. Problem: Most new songs don't catch on and people resort to what they know from the EPL, and they all usually involve swearing and/or bum sex. This argument usually just goes round in circles for a while and never gets resolved ... edit: spelling |
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Post by Bearinator on Mar 1, 2007 11:51:19 GMT 10
Easy way to solve said situation: Dont complain about things you cant change. Let me put it this way for everyone who is against swearing at football: It happened before you watched football, it happened before you were born, it will happen for 1000 years to come, and the harsh reality is there is nothing you can do about it.
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Post by thesandman on Mar 1, 2007 12:03:29 GMT 10
Here's the way I see it:
You don't have to remove any of the songs with swearing. You can simply replace the choice words.
'Shit' is barely even offensive these days, it's mostly the 'F' word. And I think every song with 'F*****g' in the lyrics can easily be replaced with 'bloody'. Same effect, minus the offensiveness. So I don't think we lose anything by eliminating the swearing.
And even since this argument came up there does tend to be less swearing, so it can change if people want it to ;-)
Just one thought on an existing song:
The 'Oh when the coast, go marching in...'
On thing I've noticed is that nobody really seems to know how the 3rd line goes....all I ever seem to hear is:
"Oh when the coast, go marching in
Oh when the coash go marching in!
Oh I want to be in mmm mmm mmmmmmm
Oh when the coast go marching in!"
There's too much confusion in the bay about if it says 'bay 16' or 'that number', as per the original song.
If people want to ditch - or reduce - 'everywhere we go' - then I think we need to come up with another call-response chant.
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Post by T on Mar 1, 2007 12:13:43 GMT 10
I have to agree with Chimmi, I like the chant apart from a few words that could probably be substituted and if I had a creative bent I would try to think of something. I have no problem with the swearing etc and I agree that if parents with kids don't like it they should move. The fact that the songs have been sung worldwide for 100yrs could mean that maybe some of them are a little outdated, from a time when it was mainly males who would be at the games. This has obviously changed much over the years so maybe its time to rethink a few chants.
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Post by dibo (pron. "DIB-OH") on Mar 1, 2007 12:24:02 GMT 10
while i've don't see the re-hashing of this debate as harmful (just because i've heard it 5 times already doesn't mean the n00bs have, and they need to know the reasons at least as much as i do) it's worth just laying those basic facts out, and letting it go from there. Fair enough then. What it basically comes down to is the arguments *against* swearing in songs far outweigh the arguments *for*. * It is a family atmosphere with kids around * They can just move to another area * The sound travels around the ground and they can still hear it * But everybody else swears in their songs * If everybody else jumped off a bridge... etc. * Can't you come up with something witty and intelligent without resorting to the use of profanity? * But then we won't look "hard core" And just to extend the swearing debate, families also feel uncomfortable with the amount of sexual content in songs. If you take out all the songs with a hint of swearing, and the ones involving someone taking it up the butt, there goes most of the list. Where do you draw the line? Answer: Come up with new songs that don't involve swearing or anal sex. Problem: Most new songs don't catch on and people resort to what they know from the EPL, and they all usually involve swearing and/or bum sex. This argument usually just goes round in circles for a while and never gets resolved ... edit: spelling good post. and the other thing that sandman touched on is that most of our songs are fine. it's not like it's a huge problem for us. we're not self-censoring (as in, nobody's saying 'you can't sing that'), we're just singing things that don't happen to pose any problems. that's not to say that i don't think we need new songs, we do, it's just that swearing is not exactly one of the criteria that makes a good song. and the third line of 'central coast is wonderful' has been mentioned a few times, and an alternate line was written, i just can't remember what it was... |
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Post by alicia on Mar 1, 2007 13:19:57 GMT 10
and the third line of 'central coast is wonderful' has been mentioned a few times, and an alternate line was written, i just can't remember what it was... home: oh how i want to be in bay 16 away: oh how i want to be in that yellow correct me if i'm wrong |
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Post by dibo (pron. "DIB-OH") on Mar 1, 2007 14:14:11 GMT 10
and the third line of 'central coast is wonderful' has been mentioned a few times, and an alternate line was written, i just can't remember what it was... home: oh how i want to be in bay 16 away: oh how i want to be in that yellow correct me if i'm wrong there was a variation on 'it's full of _____, _____ and mariners' |
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Post by DJ on Mar 1, 2007 14:21:27 GMT 10
to the tune of country roads you will never catch me singing a chant to the sound of an Olivia Newton John song! Wouldn't that be an intimitating chant for opposition players and fans, we would be more likely to make them laugh so much they would lose concentration! Sorry Dibo, just my opinion! I can't believe the whole debate of swearing has come up again, I thought we had this sorted FFS. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and I agree with what most have said. At the end of the day we can't sweat due to FFA and stadium guidelines, I personally have no issues with swearing or any chant as it's only a game and strongly believe kids hear worse in any playground. My initial thoughts when we started in 2005 were if you wanna sing songs with no sexual references or swear words bugger off to the church choir. However, now realising the importance of promoting a family atmosphere we need to tone them down for the good of the club, and I believe we have done this. Lets just keep doing what we have done over the last 18 months and develop more chants. |
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Post by DJ on Mar 1, 2007 14:22:52 GMT 10
and the third line of 'central coast is wonderful' has been mentioned a few times, and an alternate line was written, i just can't remember what it was... away: oh how i want to be in yellow keep it at that IMO - worked well last season |
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Post by dibo (pron. "DIB-OH") on Mar 1, 2007 14:40:56 GMT 10
to the tune of country roads you will never catch me singing a chant to the sound of an Olivia Newton John song! Wouldn't that be an intimitating chant for opposition players and fans, we would be more likely to make them laugh so much they would lose concentration! Sorry Dibo, just my opinion! getting out of his grave and getting on the first red bus to berkely vale to kick your arse for that, you know!  |
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Post by dibo (pron. "DIB-OH") on Mar 1, 2007 14:42:10 GMT 10
you will never catch me singing a chant to the sound of an Olivia Newton John song! Wouldn't that be an intimitating chant for opposition players and fans, we would be more likely to make them laugh so much they would lose concentration! Sorry Dibo, just my opinion! a better reason to not sing it is that apparently man united do... but obviously with less references to sun and palm trees! |
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Post by DJ on Mar 1, 2007 15:00:41 GMT 10
you will never catch me singing a chant to the sound of an Olivia Newton John song! Wouldn't that be an intimitating chant for opposition players and fans, we would be more likely to make them laugh so much they would lose concentration! Sorry Dibo, just my opinion! getting out of his grave and getting on the first red bus to berkely vale to kick your arse for that, you know! ;D LOL - still an Olivia Newton John Song At least your having a go mate it's just not my cuppa tea  |
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Post by alicia on Mar 1, 2007 15:20:51 GMT 10
home: oh how i want to be in bay 16 away: oh how i want to be in that yellow correct me if i'm wrong there was a variation on 'it's full of _____, _____ and mariners' he was talking about when the coast goes marching in...i think |
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Post by northernspirit on Mar 1, 2007 15:26:22 GMT 10
u knockin olivia newton john dj? lol not my cuppa either, any guns n roses maybe? |
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Post by dibo (pron. "DIB-OH") on Mar 1, 2007 15:29:41 GMT 10
;D LOL - still an Olivia Newton John Song At least your having a go mate it's just not my cuppa tea fair call! |
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Post by forzamariners on Mar 1, 2007 16:48:16 GMT 10
Have the people who have complained about the sexual references and swearing ever turned the tv on after 8pm?
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