Junior Club ???

[McGrime]

Okay might seem a bit of a wank, but I'd be interested to know where fellow CC Mariners posters played thei first game of organised soccer / football if they actually played at all.
I know the Central Coast has a large junior base.
What I am trying to get at really is
Can we get a sufficent feeder system set up on the CC through our junior clubs to be able to take advantage of our junior stocks ?
Remember some of these other teams have massive junior areas to draw from.
We need to be efficient in this area to compete virtually from week 1 of the comp.
So really 2 questions :
1. Your Junior Side ?
2. How do we get this right for our juniors ?

[kevrenor]

McGrime said:

Can we get a sufficent feeder system set up on the CC through our junior clubs to be able to take advantage of our junior stocks ?
Remember some of these other teams have massive junior areas to draw from.
We need to be efficient in this area to compete virtually from week 1 of the comp.
So really 2 questions :
1. Your Junior Side ?
2. How do we get this right for our juniors ?

1. Christchurch Gladesville - in Sydney Protestant Churches Comp in 1958!!

2. Interesting question - as far as I know CCMFC is not affiliated with any football association. A club in the old NSL would have been a member of & nominated by, their state federation (ie. NSW) but the new league is a franchise system from ASA.

With Soccer NSW backing Sydney FC and using Central Coast Association player subs to do it, where does that leave CCMFC?

Well in fact it means that CCMFC do not have to restrict themselves only to Central Coast Association.

In fact CCSA will be a great base, with what over 10,000 players?, but I would like to see the club look wider.

For example the next Associations south are Ku-Ring-Gai, Gladesville Hornsby FA, and Manly Warringah. GHFA are rumoured to have been a leading Association against the SNSW Sydney FC bid!

I would like CCMFC in addition to CCSA and CCUFC, to seek links with:
Sydney north - GHFA, KDSA, MWSA, and the State League clubs of Manly Warringah Dolphins, Ryde City, Gladesville Spirit, Northern Tigers
To the north lies Nthn NSW Fed - home of Newcastle Uknighted. Tougher ask. However links could be forged with some NBN League sides - Mr Celery & MorleyDave could assist me here.

There is NO national youth league so the NSW & NNSW clubs mentioned above would be the feeders, with younger players loaned out to state league (like in Europe). The A-League clubs have to sign 3 under 18 players but that is not enough!

I would also like next Summer if CCMFC could host a NNSW Pride and a NSW Sapphires game (WNSL)

Yes, interesting topic!

[marinermick]

McGrime said:

Okay might seem a bit of a wank, but I'd be interested to know where fellow CC Mariners posters played thei first game of organised soccer / football if they actually played at all.
I know the Central Coast has a large junior base.
What I am trying to get at really is
Can we get a sufficent feeder system set up on the CC through our junior clubs to be able to take advantage of our junior stocks ?
Remember some of these other teams have massive junior areas to draw from.
We need to be efficient in this area to compete virtually from week 1 of the comp.
So really 2 questions :
1. Your Junior Side ?
2. How do we get this right for our juniors ?

1. Ourimbah - University Soccer Club
2. Free season pass for every registered Central Coast junior player

[sacko]

Not that your partisan Mick!

[marinermick]

Ourimbah till I die
I know I am
I'm sure I am
Ourimbah till I die

We could insert the Ourimbah with Mariners for a good team song

[Rubbernose]

kevrenor said:

1. Christchurch Gladesville - in Sydney Protestant Churches Comp in 1958!!

Goerges River Junior Soccer Club - Sutherland Shire Football Assoc. 1975. Gawd.

2. Interesting question - as far as I know CCMFC is not affiliated with any football association. A club in the old NSL would have been a member of & nominated by, their state federation (ie. NSW) but the new league is a franchise system from ASA.

With Soccer NSW backing Sydney FC and using Central Coast Association player subs to do it, where does that leave CCMFC?

I read somewhere just other day a comment by Doumanis indicating that the CCM and Newcastle would indeed be able to draw on players within the NSWSF development programs.

Whether he said that to pay it lip service in light of the obvious imbalance otherwise, remains to be seen I suppose.

Well in fact it means that CCMFC do not have to restrict themselves only to Central Coast Association.

In fact CCSA will be a great base, with what over 10,000 players?, but I would like to see the club look wider.

For example the next Associations south are Ku-Ring-Gai, Gladesville Hornsby FA, and Manly Warringah. GHFA are rumoured to have been a leading Association against the SNSW Sydney FC bid!

I would like CCMFC in addition to CCSA and CCUFC, to seek links with:
Sydney north - GHFA, KDSA, MWSA, and the State League clubs of Manly Warringah Dolphins, Ryde City, Gladesville Spirit, Northern Tigers
To the north lies Nthn NSW Fed - home of Newcastle Uknighted. Tougher ask. However links could be forged with some NBN League sides - Mr Celery & MorleyDave could assist me here.

There is NO national youth league so the NSW & NNSW clubs mentioned above would be the feeders, with younger players loaned out to state league (like in Europe). The A-League clubs have to sign 3 under 18 players but that is not enough!

I would also like next Summer if CCMFC could host a NNSW Pride and a NSW Sapphires game (WNSL)

Yes, interesting topic!

When you look at the player stats (from a year ago), besides Sutherland the northern areas of Sydney and the Central coast are certainly where there is a large concentration of players are.

I see no reason why the Mariners should not do their best to forge links with all of these associations, in any way possible.

REGISTERED PLAYER COMPARISON (2002 - 2003)

Association..............................................2002.......2003.....% change
Sutherland Shire Junior SFA Inc.............. 13043.... 13939.... 6.87%
Nepean Districts Soccer Football Assoc..... 11634... 12525..... 7.66%
Manly Warringah Soccer Association Inc... 10664... 12284..... 15.19%
Gladesville-Hornsby Football Assoc. Inc.... 10861... 12188.....12.22%
Ku-Ring-Gai & District Soccer Assoc. Inc... 10762... 11763..... 9.30%
Central Coast Soccer Association............. 10179... 10803..... 6.13%
Granville & Districts SFA Inc..................... 9280.....9919...... 6.89%
Canterbury & Dist.Soccer Football Assoc.... 7172.... 8704..... 21.36%
Council of Clubs*..................................... 7058.... 8237...... 16.70%
Macarthur Districts SFA............................ 7430.... 7264..... -2.23%
Illawarra Junior Soccer Association........... 6793.... 7136...... 5.05%
Southern Districts Soccer Football Assoc.... 6146.... 7047...... 14.66%
St George Soccer Association Inc............. 6070.... 6730...... 10.87%
Blacktown & Districts SFA Inc................... 5976.... 6543....... 9.49%
Bankstown Dist Amateur Soccer Assoc...... 5874.... 6342...... 7.97%
Eastern Suburbs Soccer Football Assoc..... 4121..... 3574...... -13.27%
Mitchell District Soccer Association............ 2281.... 3156...... 38.36
Shoalhaven District Soccer Association..... 2819...... 2717..... -3.62%
Lachlan Amateur Soccer Association......... 2308..... 2542..... 10.14%
North West Sydney Womens Soccer........ 1533...... 2471...... 61.19%
Soccer Albury Wodonga...........................1990..... 2220...... 11.56%
Orange & District Soccer Association........ 1823..... 2215...... 21.50%
Wagga Wagga & District Soccer Assoc...... 1880..... 2050....... 9.04%
Highlands Soccer Association Inc............. 1384..... 1375...... -0.65%
Griffith & District Amateur Soccer Assoc... 1325..... 1371....... 3.47%
Dubbo & District Soccer Association......... 2232..... 1232....... -44.80%
Eurobodalla Soccer Association................1147...... 1188....... 3.57%
Far South Coast Soccer Association.......... 960....... 1044....... 8.75%
Southern Tablelands Soccer Association... 1067..... 1002....... -6.09%
South West Slopes Soccer Association..... 826........ 954........ 15.50%
Sydney Amateur Soccer League Inc........ 839........ 810........ -3.46%
Western Plains Soccer Association.......... 395........ 414........ 4.81%
TOTAL.............................................. 157872... 171759....... 8.80%

Note: Above Total (2003) is comprised of 148,454 males and 23,305 females.

AGE COMPARISON (2002 - 2003)

Age.........2002........2003......% change
6............ 14334..... 15189.... 5.96%
7............ 12860..... 13538.... 5.27%
8............ 13183..... 13685.... 3.81%
9............ 12326..... 12864.... 4.36%
10.......... 11726..... 12312.... 5.00%
11.......... 9966....... 11104.... 11.42%
12........... 9701...... 10842.... 11.76%
13........... 7417...... 8342...... 12.47%
14........... 7807...... 8927...... 14.35%
15........... 5955...... 6648...... 11.64%
16........... 5960...... 6928...... 16.24%
17........... 3280...... 3408...... 3.90%
18........... 2926...... 3447...... 17.81%
19........... 982........ 1340...... 36.46%
21........... 1379...... 2471...... 79.19%
AA/O35.... 38070.... 40714.... 6.95%
TOTAL .....157872... 171759... 8.80%

MALE/FEMALE JUNIORS V SENIORS (2002 - 2003)

S.ex/Age Bracket.................2002..........2003..........% Change
Male Junior (6-17yrs)......... 103015..... 108782..... 5.60%
Female Junior (6-17yrs)......11500....... 15005....... 30.48%
Male Senior (18yrs+)..........36722....... 39672....... 8.03%
Female Senior (18yrs+)......6635......... 8300......... 25.09%

NUMBER OF TEAMS (2002 v 2003)

Associations.............................................2002....2003......% Change
Sutherland Shire Junior SFA Inc................ 993..... 1080...... 8.76%
Manly Warringah Soccer Assoc Inc............ 872..... 990....... 13.53%
Nepean Districts Soccer Football Assoc...... 910...... 984....... 8.13%
Ku-Ring-Gai & District Soccer Assoc. Inc.... 842...... 947...... 12.47%
Gladesville-Hornsby Football Assoc. Inc..... 836...... 911...... 8.97%
Central Coast Soccer Association.............. 876...... 865...... -1.26%
Granville & Districts SFA Inc......................599...... 660...... 10.18%
Canterbury & Dist.Soccer Football Assoc.... 563..... 621....... 10.30%
Illawarra Junior Soccer Association........... 553..... 589....... 6.51%
Southern Districts Soccer Football Assoc.... 545..... 587....... 7.71%
Macarthur Districts SFA............................ 564......563....... -0.18%
Blacktown & Districts SFA Inc................... 479..... 530........ 10.65%
Council of Clubs*..................................... 486..... 503........ 3.50%
St George Soccer Association Inc............. 433..... 481........ 11.09%
Bankstown Dist Amateur Soccer Assoc...... 415..... 408....... -1.69%
Eastern Suburbs Soccer Football Assoc..... 303..... 323........ 6.60%
Lachlan Amateur Soccer Association......... 198..... 216........ 9.09%
Mitchell District Soccer Association............ 190..... 199........ 4.74%
Shoalhaven District Soccer Association...... 201..... 194....... -3.48%
Dubbo & District Soccer Association........... 212.... 182........ -14.15%
North West Sydney Womens Soccer......... 129......170........ 31.78%
Orange & District Soccer Association........ 143...... 161........ 12.59%
Wagga Wagga & District Soccer Assoc.......134...... 146........ 8.96%
Soccer Albury Wodonga.......................... 142......144......... 1.41%
Highlands Soccer Association Inc............. 110..... 109......... -0.91%
Griffith & District Amateur Soccer Assoc.... 101..... 103..........1.98%
Eurobodalla Soccer Association................ 93....... 89.......... -4.30%
Southern Tablelands Soccer Association.... 94...... 88.......... -6.38%
South West Slopes Soccer Association...... 75....... 86.......... 14.67%
Far South Coast Soccer Association.......... 73....... 78.......... 6.85%
Sydney Amateur Soccer League Inc......... 55....... 61.......... 10.91%
Western Plains Soccer Association............ 26....... 29.......... 11.54%
TOTAL................................................ 12245... 13097....... 6.96%

* Council of Clubs registration numbers are comprised of registered players in the NSW Premier League, NSW Winter Super League, Division 1 State League, Division 2 State League, Division 3 State League, Women's Super League, Women's State League, Premier/Super/Division 1 Youth Leagues, S.S.I. Girls Youth League, attack Under 11 metropolitan League, Western Premier League and Australian Chinese Soccer Associations.[/quote]

[minder]

Firstly congratulations on your inclusion in the A- League.
So far as a continuous flow of talent goes. We do have some quality players north of the border who would not mind playing down your way one bit. ;D
You guys have the east coast of australia to draw from.

[bruce]

Rubbernose said:

REGISTERED PLAYER COMPARISON (2002 - 2003)

Association..............................................2002.......2003.....% change
...
Manly Warringah Soccer Association Inc... 10664... 12284..... 15.19%
Gladesville-Hornsby Football Assoc. Inc.... 10861... 12188.....12.22%
Ku-Ring-Gai & District Soccer Assoc. Inc... 10762... 11763..... 9.30%
Central Coast Soccer Association............. 10179... 10803..... 6.13%

That's up above 40,000 ... that region heads toward parity with Northern NSW.

I'd say, between the Harbour and Lake Maquarie, and leave it a bit vague whether that is an "exclusive" between or an "inclusive" between.

And, yes, definitely there is the whole of the eastern seaboard to draw on, but its best to have a firm idea of a "home" territory and a sense of affiliation in both directions between an A-league cclub and juniors within its hinterland.

[kevrenor]

I was talking with Alex Tobin (Mariners Youth & Development Officer) at the NSWPL Launch/Jonny Warren Tribute Dinner last night and he said:

It was pressure from the bids/clubs that got ASA to include 3 U20 players in the squads of 20.

He is still pushing for a national youth league type setup.

The Mariners already have good links with Gladesville Hornby FA, and are working on Ku-Ring-Gai.

He went to a development seminar at Newcastle Uni at Callaghan Campus and he was surprised mobbed with interest in the Mariners - and most were Newy locals. I told him not to be surpised by Newcastle support.

They are talking with Keegan Wolfenden (ex NUFC NYL) who is a Coasties player in the NSWPL, for an U20 spot. Lawrie McKinna has already mentioned Mark Milligan.

Also talked with Grant Lee (Coasties) and he said that J-P de Marignay wants his NU A-League players out of the NSWPL by end January.

[macca]

marinermick said:

1. Ourimbah - University Soccer Club
2. Free season pass for every registered Central Coast junior player

I was unaware you played juniors with ourimbah???

Seeing as the question was first game and all.

Mine was with the mighty Wyoming tigers.

[marinermick]

macca said:

I was unaware you played juniors with ourimbah???

Seeing as the question was first game and all.

Mine was with the mighty Wyoming tigers.

Oh, misread the question.

First club was South Wallsend Wolves

[marinermick]

kevrenor said:

I was talking with Alex Tobin (Mariners Youth & Development Officer) at the NSWPL Launch/Jonny Warren Tribute Dinner last night and he said:

He went to a development seminar at Newcastle Uni at Callaghan Campus and he was surprised mobbed with interest in the Mariners - and most were Newy locals. I told him not to be surpised by Newcastle support.

That the University of Newcastle Sports Awards and Alex was guest speaker.

Alex mentioned the same thing to me at the A-League launch and I told that group included me and the busload we shipped down from Ourimbah to the dinner.

We did mob him but we were all from the Coast so I'm still puzzled why he is still saying this.

[sumo]

I never played football as a kid, apart from the odd kick around at school.

My main sport as a junior was field hockey.

[McGrime]

Similar story to me brought up in Glasgow but never played organised soccer until I hit Oz.
My old man quickly got me into a side Heathcote Hearts ( Hostel Team ) to keep me out of trouble.
For some of the time anyway.

[sacko]

Being from Glasgow I suspose you were too busy shooting up behind the bikesheds to worry about football....

[McGrime]

Yeh at 10 years old that would have been a real treat, unfortunatley all the bikesheds were populated by wankers like you.......

Oh that was a bit bitchy......