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Post by Adz on Sept 25, 2007 17:12:14 GMT 10
Kevrenor has been keeping this page up to date this season, and I've just added the latest pdf version of the stats for your downloading pleasure ;D click here... do it. |
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Post by marinermick on Sept 25, 2007 17:23:13 GMT 10
Page 8 is really interesting:
- Viddy has the highest tackling efficiency
- Hutch has entered the list for passing completion rate
and the most telling statistic that challanges proconceived notions about football:
- both the Mariners and Adelaide have the lowest passing completion rate yet have scored the most goals
it shows that possession rates do not equate into goals
in fact there was a study that has come out a few years ago that showed 90% of goals scored in national football games occur with less than four completed passes being made
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Post by Adz on Sept 25, 2007 17:28:06 GMT 10
in fact there was a study that has come out a few years ago that showed 90% of goals scored in national football games occur with less than four completed passes being made That makes sense - quick movement up the field, bang in a goal, rather than stuffing around with the ball, letting them get numbers back to defend. Another point is Adelaide have scored the most goals - 7 from 5 rounds, but not won a game |
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Post by marinermick on Sept 25, 2007 17:44:37 GMT 10
in fact there was a study that has come out a few years ago that showed 90% of goals scored in national football games occur with less than four completed passes being made That makes sense - quick movement up the field, bang in a goal, rather than stuffing around with the ball, letting them get numbers back to defend. yeah, but isn't it interesting how coaches coach for possession rather than scoring goals in fact scolari totally changed the style of brazilian football for the 2002 world cup and played a clever counter attacking game, when in the past it was all about possession in brazil, that ultimately won them the world cup |
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Post by Adz on Sept 25, 2007 18:12:58 GMT 10
yeah, but isn't it interesting how coaches coach for possession rather than scoring goals in fact scolari totally changed the style of brazilian football for the 2002 world cup and played a clever counter attacking game, when in the past it was all about possession in brazil, that ultimately won them the world cup To be honest I'm a total football n00b, having grown up on "aerial ping pong", so I keep comparing to AFL tactics, like the Swans (usually) play a defensive possession game with a lot of stoppages, grind out the most boring of boring games, like NZKFC did. The most exciting games (for me) have the players moving up the field quickly, not just pumping the ball long and hoping to find someone, but picking out targets with space to run/play on and pass to someone else up the field and hit a goal... |
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Post by marinermick on Sept 25, 2007 18:20:57 GMT 10
yeah, but isn't it interesting how coaches coach for possession rather than scoring goals in fact scolari totally changed the style of brazilian football for the 2002 world cup and played a clever counter attacking game, when in the past it was all about possession in brazil, that ultimately won them the world cup To be honest I'm a total football n00b, having grown up on "aerial ping pong", so I keep comparing to AFL tactics, like the Swans (usually) play a defensive possession game with a lot of stoppages, grind out the most boring of boring games, like NZKFC did. The most exciting games (for me) have the players moving up the field quickly, not just pumping the ball long and hoping to find someone, but picking out targets with space to run/play on and pass to someone else up the field and hit a goal... one of the best drills you can do is have two full size goalmouths set 25 metres apart and play four on four or five on five it really promotes a mindset of being direct and having a nose for goal |
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Post by midfielder on Sept 25, 2007 23:31:34 GMT 10
Whats wrong with holding the ball showing for the ball and building an attack.
But those stats they seem like BS to me as we often hold the ball. If fact I think we hold the ball more than most. Thats what Hutch is doing in the mids most of the time plays back or wide.
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Post by shipwreck on Sept 26, 2007 0:00:15 GMT 10
Its interesting to see that Vidmar and Boogs are basically the best defending pair in the A-league...Im really beginning to feel sorry for Lawrie for when Wilkinson comes back, i mean personally, i would have him on the bench and leave Vidmar and Boogs out there, but i know that Boogs is probably going to be giving way purely because Wilkinson is the captain.
Unfair, because he is such a standout
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Post by greenpoleffc on Sept 26, 2007 0:37:59 GMT 10
Or play Wilko at RB.
You couldnt drop Boogs given the way he is playing
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Post by brett on Sept 26, 2007 9:47:16 GMT 10
Or...finally...we get to see the 3-5-2!
As for possession/goals, keeping possession isn't necessarily the best way to score a goal, but I would argue that it is the best way to win the game. While you have the ball the opposition can't hurt you, when you keep the ball you can win the battle for field position, you can move the other team around and tire them out.
Think of Australia at the World Cup - keep the ball for periods to take the heat off ourselves, but always look to pressure the opposition, win possession, and quickly attack if there is an opportunity.
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Post by marinermick on Sept 26, 2007 10:06:24 GMT 10
Whats wrong with holding the ball showing for the ball and building an attack. But those stats they seem like BS to me as we often hold the ball. If fact I think we hold the ball more than most. Thats what Hutch is doing in the mids most of the time plays back or wide. because when you build slowly you allow a team to get its shape and defend in bigger number subsequently they are harder to break disagree that we hold the ball more than most teams - we certainly don't dick around at the back as much as melbourne, sydney or newcastle do |
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Post by bikinigirl on Sept 28, 2007 12:35:11 GMT 10
Or...finally...we get to see the 3-5-2! . now this is what we were talking about last year . a back 3 of wilko, boogs and viddie is a 'proper' back 3, as opposed to ossie & heff who are the 'wingback/attacking' defenders . pick your best team and play them in their rightful position or play a 'system' where you inevitably have somebody playing out of position . may end up with wilko on the right & heff on the left but that doesn't have the same balance as we currenlty enjoy with attacking options on both sides |
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