For discussion related to the NSWPL team

[MarinatorMum]

For discussion related to the NSWPL team - CCUFC and the NSW Summer Premier League only
Moderators: Administrator, kevrenor




This means Seniors only and those who are in Premier league NOT Super League and Not youth league.

[marinermick]

[brett]

Come on mum.

If this part of the forum was overflowing with irrelevant crap you may have a point but there's plenty of space here for all other coastal football talk. Like you said, moderators are admin and kevrenor. Not meaning to sound smart-assy but they can handle it.

[omni]

Where is all this coming from! They are the future of the Seniors. The title is actually Central Coast United FC and that's what the Juniors are called too.

[Administrator]

marinatormum said:

For discussion related to the NSWPL team - CCUFC and the NSW Summer Premier League only
Moderators: Administrator, kevrenor

This means Seniors only and those who are in Premier league NOT Super League and Not youth league.

All CCUFCteams are welcome - when the forum was set up we weren't clear whether the Youth League would be PL or SL!

How did the U18's go this week?

[MarinatorMum]

omni said:

Where is all this coming from! They are the future of the Seniors. The title is actually Central Coast United FC and that's what the Juniors are called too.

Its been my experience that ccufc juniors dont get promoted to seniors, last year there was only 1 player that got promoted to seniors all the rest came from everywhere else including newcastle. All the talented junior players went to play in sydney premier league clubs. I think you will find that there will probably only see 1 maybe 2 if your lucky get promoted up from the 18's this year. My hunch is that there wont be any. But lets hope i am wrong.

[MarinatorMum]

admin said:

marinatormum said:

All CCUFCteams are welcome - when the forum was set up we weren't clear whether the Youth League would be PL or SL!

Well how did the under 11's & 12's go ?

13
14
15
and 16's ?

[ronaldinho]

well...
11's had a hard fought 1-1 draw
12's were a bit unlucky to go down 3-1
13's got up 3-1
14's had a tight 1 all draw
15's had nice 2-1 victory
16's went down 3-0
and the 18's (currently 2nd place) had yet another victory 3-2 and are looking good
so far this season.
There's all the results from round 12 of the competition and looking forward to next w/e when the club take on Penrith-Nepean away at cook park (st mary's).

[MarinatorMum]

ronaldinho said:

well...
11's had a hard fought 1-1 draw
12's were a bit unlucky to go down 3-1
13's got up 3-1
14's had a tight 1 all draw
15's had nice 2-1 victory
16's went down 3-0
and the 18's (currently 2nd place) had yet another victory 3-2 and are looking good
so far this season.
There's all the results from round 12 of the competition and looking forward to next w/e when the club take on Penrith-Nepean away at cook park (st mary's).

Thank you, thats better good luck against neapean their 18's are in 1st place, however the other grades should fair up well. The 16's seem to be struggling a bit, but i dare say that would be related to their coach or lack there off. nice guy, good training techniques, just lacks good judgement in positional play with players potential during games.

Anyways i look forward to seeing their results posted on here next week for all the grades.

[marinermick]

marinatormum said:

omni said:

Where is all this coming from! They are the future of the Seniors. The title is actually Central Coast United FC and that's what the Juniors are called too.

Its been my experience that ccufc juniors dont get promoted to seniors, last year there was only 1 player that got promoted to seniors all the rest came from everywhere else including newcastle. All the talented junior players went to play in sydney premier league clubs. I think you will find that there will probably only see 1 maybe 2 if your lucky get promoted up from the 18's this year. My hunch is that there wont be any. But lets hope i am wrong.

this is the case with most clubs at pretty much all levels

only a handful of players go from 18s to reserve/firsts

the other players go to lower standards

just look at the interview with Sydney FC's David Carney - the only player that made the transition from everton youth team was Wayne Rooney

[offtheball]

Maybe the 16's are struggling because more than half the selected team withdrew. Some only days before the comp kicked off.

[MarinatorMum]

marinermick said:

marinatormum said:

Its been my experience that ccufc juniors dont get promoted to seniors, last year there was only 1 player that got promoted to seniors all the rest came from everywhere else including newcastle. All the talented junior players went to play in sydney premier league clubs. I think you will find that there will probably only see 1 maybe 2 if your lucky get promoted up from the 18's this year. My hunch is that there wont be any. But lets hope i am wrong.

this is the case with most clubs at pretty much all levels

only a handful of players go from 18s to reserve/firsts

the other players go to lower standards

just look at the interview with Sydney FC's David Carney - the only player that made the transition from everton youth team was Wayne Rooney

Why do you think that is mick, most juniors coming up through the ranks admire their seniors and strive to be there and from what i gather have it as their goal to make it into seniors. I think that having u18s not being promoted to reserve and go else where is a waste. And not utilizing our youth.

i think senior coaches should start getting involved with the u16s and u18s and start preparing them to come into seniors , maybe offering them term contracts to keep them. What do you think ?

[marinermick]

I agree - every side should be developing juniors but the sheer numbers of juniors coming through it is impossible that they can all make the grade and realistically only a couple can.

Look at it this way... a senior squad (firsts and reserves) is about 30 players. In these thirty players there are members that ages vary from 18 to 33.

A senior can can have a career of fifteen years in seniors. If these players are quality then they are better then the junior coming through.

If the whole squad is better then all the juniors coming through then no junior comes through.

But in the real world it means only one of two make the grade and there is nothing wrong with this.

[kevrenor]

marinermick said:

I agree - every side should be developing juniors but the sheer numbers of juniors coming through it is impossible that they can all make the grade and realistically only a couple can. Look at it this way... a senior squad (firsts and reserves) is about 30 players. In these thirty players there are members that ages vary from 18 to 33. A senior can can have a career of fifteen years in seniors. If these players are quality then they are better then the junior coming through. If the whole squad is better then all the juniors coming through then no junior comes through. But in the real world it means only one of two make the grade and there is nothing wrong with this.

Another factor is the club's vision for what level it wants to play, and how much it wants to use local talent.

Rather than start a fight over CCUFC, I'll use one of the clubs I support for example:

Bathurst 75:
1. Sits in a country region, with a local pop. of 30K, and district (say 2 hours drive) of 80K - very small base
2. Formed and wanted to play at the highest level in 1975
3. Are a club not the local association - therefore other clubs, say in Orange, hate your guts!
4. Try to use a) their own club talent, b) local district talent that will come to them, c) transient talent - being a Uni town (eg. my son)
5. Note: Unlike metro, Illawarra and CC teams, they have little chance to bring in outside talent.

Given all this they are bottom of NSW Division 1 at present, facing relegation! What can they do? Accept it or fight it!

They have had to 'rob' the Under 20s and NSWSL U18's, convinced some good local players to come back from park football, they have signed local product striker Michael Lloyd-Green (now his season with Central Coast U FC in PL is over!) They did well even if losing 3-1 to runaway leaders Schofields Scorpions, and may yet avoid the drop. This is good for the best of the best youngsters, but for many the elevation is too early and does long term damage. Then what happens next season?

That story supports my next comments:

A club, even one now run by a local Association, must balance playing at a level that will attract the best locals to play with them rather than jumping to bigger teams elsewhere, but still remain competitive.

To play in the top level (other than A-League) such as the NSW PL you will need to import at least 8 top level players (if some are ex locals even better) and hope like hell that you can find (and hold) a dozen locals who can cut the mustard. If not you are relegated. You just cannot play at that level with all local juniors - even if you are Sydney United or Marconi!

So do you go down to WSL, or Div 1? Then do the best players just leave the coast earlier? What would that do to the Mariners?

It is a pyramid - the higher the level the fewer players you are going to find that can play at that level from the local population base. If the production locally has been poor for some years (as I would argue the Coast has been vs say Illawarra and Newcastle - perhaps because they had NSL teams with NYL and high level local comps) - then you struggle even more.

[MarinatorMum]

Very valid points guys, so would the answer be too start vigorously develope youth league players and strengthen the ages all the way through. A little bit like spirit did in their prime days before going back to gladsville spirit.

[marinermick]

marinatormum said:

Very valid points guys, so would the answer be too start vigorously develope youth league players and strengthen the ages all the way through. A little bit like spirit did in their prime days before going back to gladsville spirit.

In all honesty they should be doing this regardless.

If you can't get your best juniors playing at the highest level with the best coaches then you have failed part of your core business.

[froggy]

The problem from my perspective as a player who did come through theranks (minus a few trips to Breakers and Newc Utd for which i am a better player) is that every third or fourth year a new super coach is found and with him comes the superstar players

Memo to CCUFC board members get local coaches who are interested in local players
eg1 John McClafferty 3 years ago he had a team of nobodys avg. age 21 (peter preston & pat bradley only players over 24) finish 2nd last but we won over 2/3 of our first rd games ...... Bring on next year (so we thought

Jim Foley Relies on his contacts in newcastle and f***s all the hard yards from the year before

Grant lee has such favoritism with the superstar that he and pezzano savage links to local players

Ive have also on good authority (as i see these local players more than once a week) that they and any future young players will have no future playing on the central coast do to the current staff

This is a problem i feel very strongly about and should i be the one that need to tell an organisation how to promote the future of the coast then please keep me informed

[kevrenor]

froggy said:

The problem from my perspective as a player who did come through theranks (minus a few trips to Breakers and Newc Utd for which i am a better player) is that every third or fourth year a new super coach is found and with him comes the superstar players

Memo to CCUFC board members get local coaches who are interested in local players
eg1 John McClafferty 3 years ago he had a team of nobodys avg. age 21 (peter preston & pat bradley only players over 24) finish 2nd last but we won over 2/3 of our first rd games ...... Bring on next year (so we thought

Yea, that was a great early run, but we couldn't sustain it - lots of bad losses in the next half of the season.

Still you are correct, they should have kept the core of that team and added not 'superstars' as you call them but add enough players of a higher level to be competitive at NSWPL standard.

You have to be careful though, it is the players like say Scott Thomas - experienced and works his arse off, and say Mitchell Prentice - young and exciting that you need.

I am afraid if you stick to a rigid locals only policy CCUFC will be propping up the Winter SL, or in Div 1 in no time!

[MarinatorMum]

What i find upsets me the most is when i see Premier Youth league players aged 15, 16, 17 & 18 playing all age 4's with their dads, because coasties have let them down again.

there are many issues here guys. Firstly there is too big a gap between u16's & u'18s, Nsw soccer needs to bring back u17s. CCUFC need quality, paid coaches, keep the successful coaches from previous seasons and give them a 2 year run with the same team to get some consistency with them. If the coach has gone through a season and not won a game or only won 2 games, get rid of him, get another won who can do the job.

The coast has had a long history of poor or inadequate coaches, coaching youth league. Whether it has been coasties or lakers. Any decent youth league coach or youth development officer the coast has ever got has left because they cant tolerate the beaurocracy of the club.

Secondly the club needs stability. Hire someone who has come from a prosperous youth league club,, that wants to take on a challenge. Build the club back up, bring back the talent to the coast.

the other thing that concerns me, and be rest assured i am NOT RUBBISHING NOR AM I PUTTING THE PLAYERS DOWN not by any means but currently ccufcyl has a lot of club and syl level players trying to win the SYL club championships to be promoted back to pyl. You need pyl players to bring the club back to pyl. You wont get the best of the coast back there with the level the club is at, with the current standard of players or coaches.

Now in saying that i feel that i am relieved to see that the teams are currently mid table in nearly every age group and are winning games again. I hope its enough to get the clubs to finals, but i dont think it will get them promoted back to pyl.

[froggy]

Point taken and acknowledged I agree fully

My arguement is that they had a solid core of youngsters and they should try to add just one or two each year as needed
Just to add depth as the team that was around all came along in leaps and bounds