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Post by thesandman on Nov 7, 2006 20:36:19 GMT 10
Just wondering - do people here think that Kevin Muscat is good for the HAL or bad for the HAL?
On the downside, he makes referees look like idiots with the stuff he gets away with and turns the game into a bit of a farce to the point where you could argue he holds the game in contempt. A lot of people think he's an absolute tosser and get fed up with his cheating, thuggish attitude - and the fact that he gets away with blue murder on a pretty regular basis. Then there's the issue of the safety of the opponents...
On the upside - surely each sport needs villians as well as heroes? Are villians such as this a necessary evil in a game? Each sport has its villians, and it's heroes. Or does sport only need heroes?
Does his presence - because of his thuggish attitude - make it a bit more exciting and passionate, and thus is ultimately good for the league? Or is his attitude ultimately bad for the league?
This isn't really intended to be another thread attacking Muscat (though it'll probably end up like that), but it is something I've been musing over, and considering all the Muscat-related activity on the board I figured now was as good a time as any to put it up for discussion.
Be interested in hearing people's opinions....
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Post by Sym on Nov 7, 2006 20:43:23 GMT 10
Kevin Muscat is good for the a-league as he provides plenty of talking points which get talked about on general sports show which will get the word around about the a-league;and he is a decent player(am i talking crap???)
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Post by bobandbill on Nov 7, 2006 21:02:28 GMT 10
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Post by Sym on Nov 7, 2006 21:06:25 GMT 10
Well it's not the first time ;D.
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Post by bikinigirl on Nov 7, 2006 21:58:57 GMT 10
. true he does draw attention to himself and the league, but is that the right sort of attention
. do we want to be inundated with rugby league types coming to watch some argy-bargy and the odd nasty off the ball incident?
. we have enough injury problems as it is
. however the mariners intensity did seem to drop off as well when MuchCat was sent from the field (never liked the guy personally)
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Post by greenpoleffc on Nov 7, 2006 22:29:32 GMT 10
Bad for humanity more like. Raises the average age and lowers the average IQ of any team he plays for.
That Slater and his ilk suck up to him and fawn over his majesty makes me feel sick.
(Can we reverse our ban on THAT word for this thread?? No discussion about him seems complete without it)
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Post by shelleybeach on Nov 8, 2006 7:45:43 GMT 10
i think he's good as you need characters, especially people to hate - look at robbie savage or essien
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Post by sayers on Nov 8, 2006 8:02:49 GMT 10
Or Christiano Ronaldo.
Duioff (spelling?).
Could probably add Hutchinson in there.
He is a former Socceroo. He brings both good and bad publicity to the game. The A-league without Muscat is like the EPL with out Roy Keane (at Celtic now).
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Post by shelleybeach on Nov 8, 2006 8:08:13 GMT 10
yeah i used to hate keane but he has apologised now and is 'reformed', you just know he's still an angry bastard though. but i suppose he's lucky leeds are so shit and so sunderland will stay up
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Post by sayers on Nov 8, 2006 10:26:05 GMT 10
Sorry! How could I forget he is managing an even more hated team by myself than you guys!
f*** The Mackems.
Might get a Tyne-Wear derby if they can stay in the Fizzy-Pop League....
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Post by Spike on Nov 8, 2006 13:10:01 GMT 10
Its a tough question. On one hand, you could argue that all publicity is good publicity, if it gets the word out about the a-league. But if its talk of fights and the like then its not good, its not what the fans of the a-league are about.
As for heroes and villians, I dont think you need evil overlord people playing dirty like muscat. Generally, a Mariners Hero will be a villian to all the other teams, so I think muscat is generally not needed, nor is good for the league. The sooner he is gone, along with slater and all the various hanger's on, the sooner more people can move in and get some of our own a-league traditions, rather than continuing the bad old ones.
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Post by serious14 on Nov 8, 2006 14:51:46 GMT 10
F*ck Muscat - he's a dirty thug who I have _no_ time for and brings nothing to the table in Melbourne that couldn't be had from any other player. "Ohhhh, wow, I'm playing DM and all of a sudden the team's going well - ohhhhh look, Brebner is playing even better than I am in a similar position, and he's not a thug".
So sick of this double standard bullshit when it comes to refereeing....... all players have to be treated the same, it's that simple. Memo to Breeze, Shields, and the rest of you. I don't care whether the foul was by the home team or the away team and I don't care who did it - use your cards and don't be afraid to do so.
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Post by LeedsMariner#4 on Nov 8, 2006 15:56:10 GMT 10
i think he's good as you need characters, especially people to hate - look at robbie savage or essien i agree as much as i hate him he is good for the HAL |
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Post by Andy on Nov 8, 2006 16:00:54 GMT 10
Could probably add Hutchinson in there. Why? Its not because he celebrated his goal infront of the squadron is it? |
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Post by Jimmydinho on Nov 8, 2006 16:13:30 GMT 10
every hero needs their villian
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Post by Ursus on Nov 15, 2006 7:29:45 GMT 10
We have enough opposition players to "hate" (in the sporting sense) without needing a dirty little thug. It is not as though he is the "hard man" he and others make himself out to be. He is a coward who mostly king hits people behind play or continually niggles. When you add his slimy crawling to referees and inability to "cop it sweet" it is a pretty ugly picture.
We do not need it.
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Post by thesandman on Nov 15, 2006 19:14:39 GMT 10
I'm inclined to agree now. He's not a hard man at all, I already knew that. He's a dirty little coward. Look at the cheap shots...remember against Sydney last year, big melee in the middle of the pitch, he runs in and studs somebody in the calf. We can have vililans without anybody going to the extremes he does. Take Bolton, he's a good villian  His comments after getting sent off really show his (lack of) character, that was completely pathetic. |
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Post by Fish on Nov 15, 2006 20:34:37 GMT 10
 Hello Im Kevin and Im a c**t |
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Post by greenpoleffc on Nov 15, 2006 21:53:24 GMT 10
Why did you cut off the pic - you cant see Slater on his knees in front of him :-)
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Post by thesandman on Nov 15, 2006 22:17:50 GMT 10
Hello Im Kevin and Im a c**t Lol, I'm picturing a bunch of people sitting on chairs in a circle in a community hall somewhere and they all clap and say 'welcome kevin'.... (ie the way you said that, sounds like he's introducing himself to a C**t's Anonymous meeting ) |
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