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Post by brett on Nov 9, 2005 18:23:33 GMT 10
This is the most complicated one. Obviously a lot of threads have come up over time and especially in the last week about appropriate songs and policing the bay in general.
1) As a round table discussion between a dozen core Marinators, it was 100% agreed that all swearing, overly offensive, sexist, and (it goes without saying) discriminatory should be cut for the betterment of the group.
HOWEVER, people are very entitled to disagree with this, and people can do or say as they please. If someone wants to swear or be offensive in a chant, then that is up to them and it's nobody's right (besides maybe police/security) to tell them to do otherwise. There will be no 'dickheading' someone for starting up such a chant.
But, the songs are a group effort, and without the majority behind it, a song fades out. If a song comes up that 'isnt on' so to speak, a different song will be started up over the top of it.
If the core group of Marinators (who start up almost every chant anyway) dismiss these songs, we figure that they wont get up. So while everyone still has complete freedom, here's hoping that the main group has enough influence so that such songs aren't heard WITHOUT having to tell people what to do. So if you are a Marinator with the best interests of the group at heart, and boycott songs, feel that you will be doing so in a majority from now on.
If you dont know WHY this course of action is in the best interests of the group, or DISAGREE that this IS the best way for the group to go, please post and it can be discussed. We're not trying to freeze anyone out here, but 12-0 people felt this way.
2) As we all know and agree, throwing projectile and racist chants are just not on. No discussion required. Since these issues have come up just this week, and in very minor cases, for the first time in 6 months of Marinating, there'll be no drastic action. What we want to do to stamp out this sort of behaviour that can really hurt the image of the group is more of the same as what happened on Saturday, the core Marinators acting to make sure the culprits were caught and the behaviour was stopped. The best way to make sure it doesn't happen again is by recruiting MORE core Marinators so that Bay 16 is filled with people that know what is and isn't on and do the right thing themselves. See the recruitment thread.
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Post by Sam on Nov 9, 2005 19:24:34 GMT 10
HERE HERE! I totally agree
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Post by omni on Nov 9, 2005 19:28:32 GMT 10
That could start a HEAR HEAR debate Sam  I think that's a fair conclusion - even if it does restrict the freedom of a dickhead chant. |
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Post by Sam on Nov 9, 2005 19:30:57 GMT 10
I think we should do something to get rid of people who don't chant. Its probably not possible but something has to be done
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Post by Pete on Nov 9, 2005 19:39:23 GMT 10
I know that the above suggestions are really just common sense, but maybe it could be spelled out in a pamphlet and placed on the seats of Bay16, and given to late comers, so no one has an excuse (I don't access the Marinators forum or website). The pamphlet could also be given to the police and security so they know we're serious about this, and should be told we'd be more than happy for them to march out those who cross the line.
Also, I'd suggest placing 'core' Marinators (as you call them) around the bay a bit so we can hopefully spot those who may wanna throw something, and also get the songs a broader output quicker.
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Post by Jimmydinho on Nov 9, 2005 19:41:36 GMT 10
my ideas pete. i just didnt know how to say them. |
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Post by omni on Nov 9, 2005 19:42:16 GMT 10
I don't think throwing stuff would be a problem again - I wouldn't be a big fan of dispersing the core around the bay, the core knows the songs they need to be together, it's the cops responsibility and I think they secretly know we're happy to help if something does happen.
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Post by marinerd on Nov 9, 2005 20:29:38 GMT 10
So you discussed how to act like normal people? I'll believe it when i see it.
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Post by brett on Nov 9, 2005 20:47:15 GMT 10
I think we should do something to get rid of people who don't chant. Its probably not possible but something has to be done What has to be done is getting more people who WILL sing. There's no point in booting the people who sit in front of us, they are entitled to sit there. Either we try to get them singing, or get people in there that will sing instead of them. I know that the above suggestions are really just common sense, but maybe it could be spelled out in a pamphlet and placed on the seats of Bay16, and given to late comers, so no one has an excuse (I don't access the Marinators forum or website). The pamphlet could also be given to the police and security so they know we're serious about this, and should be told we'd be more than happy for them to march out those who cross the line. Also, I'd suggest placing 'core' Marinators (as you call them) around the bay a bit so we can hopefully spot those who may wanna throw something, and also get the songs a broader output quicker. I feel like these are good solutions - if our problems were a lot worse. We've had one 'bad' match in about a dozen, and it probably wont be an issue without any away support. If people are singing something that's not on, they wont get backed up and will probably stop. If they do something worse, like something physical or throwing, lets help police boot them. The hangers on will do as the main group does. Lets not make the problem seem worse by over-reacting, if a mum and dad go to sit down there and see a pamphlet outlawing things like certain songs, and throwing missiles, they will probably assume the area is rife with the problems. |
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Post by dibo (pron. "DIB-OH") on Nov 10, 2005 7:08:54 GMT 10
can i say how impressed i am with the outcome here - there we have a good set of solutions, decided in a sensible and democratic way (it's not like people didn't have an opportunity to have their views put even if, like me, they couldn't attend) and above all it's a pretty moderate set of ideas.
there is no need for a full on PC-police to whip out the nightsticks on a dodgy song or any fool that does something else inappropriate. we're a sensible group and we can deal with things sensibly.
great work!
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Post by melsyp on Nov 10, 2005 9:36:14 GMT 10
Glad to hear that the meeting was constructive I'm sure that the chants and songs that should be shut down will be and ppl in Bay 16 that aren't Marinators will soon join in with the songs.
The ppl that use the abusive chants will soon get the jist that your not there to yell abuse your there because of the "Yellow Football Team"......
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Post by Dan on Nov 10, 2005 15:22:27 GMT 10
can i say how impressed i am with the outcome here - there we have a good set of solutions, decided in a sensible and democratic way (it's not like people didn't have an opportunity to have their views put even if, like me, they couldn't attend) and above all it's a pretty moderate set of ideas. there is no need for a full on PC-police to whip out the nightsticks on a dodgy song or any fool that does something else inappropriate. we're a sensible group and we can deal with things sensibly. great work! My feelings exactly. Im not sure that placing 'core' marinators around the bay is the answer ,both in relation to watching for 'offenders' or starting chants across a wider area. I prefer the idea of there being a nucleus which will gradually spread outwards (besides, i quite like who i stand with!). I do however agree that we were packed into bay 16 like sardines against Bling and that we should spread out. I think ive seen the likes of glenn do it before and it makes sense both in comfort and visually to the rest of the stadium. Just because you arent in bay 16 it doesnt mean you are not marinating afterall. In time bays 15 and 17 will be marinator strongholds  |
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Post by LouMacari on Nov 10, 2005 16:31:06 GMT 10
can i say how impressed i am with the outcome here - there we have a good set of solutions, decided in a sensible and democratic way (it's not like people didn't have an opportunity to have their views put even if, like me, they couldn't attend) and above all it's a pretty moderate set of ideas. there is no need for a full on PC-police to whip out the nightsticks on a dodgy song or any fool that does something else inappropriate. we're a sensible group and we can deal with things sensibly. great work! My feelings exactly. Im not sure that placing 'core' marinators around the bay is the answer ,both in relation to watching for 'offenders' or starting chants across a wider area. I prefer the idea of there being a nucleus which will gradually spread outwards (besides, i quite like who i stand with!). I do however agree that we were packed into bay 16 like sardines against Bling and that we should spread out. I think ive seen the likes of glenn do it before and it makes sense both in comfort and visually to the rest of the stadium. Just because you arent in bay 16 it doesnt mean you are not marinating afterall. In time bays 15 and 17 will be marinator strongholds And perhaps if the 'true' marinators (anyone wearing yellow?) were to spread out more, the ones not wearing yellow would be spread out to bay 15 and 17? |
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Post by DJ on Nov 10, 2005 18:09:21 GMT 10
My feelings exactly. Im not sure that placing 'core' marinators around the bay is the answer ,both in relation to watching for 'offenders' or starting chants across a wider area. I prefer the idea of there being a nucleus which will gradually spread outwards (besides, i quite like who i stand with!). I do however agree that we were packed into bay 16 like sardines against Bling and that we should spread out. I think ive seen the likes of glenn do it before and it makes sense both in comfort and visually to the rest of the stadium. Just because you arent in bay 16 it doesnt mean you are not marinating afterall. In time bays 15 and 17 will be marinator strongholds And perhaps if the 'true' marinators (anyone wearing yellow?) were to spread out more, the ones not wearing yellow would be spread out to bay 15 and 17? Thats what I pointed out too Lou, but as Auburn said in response when he goes to the game he wants to stand around certain people and would be unfair to say he can't sit around Fish, WT or myself for example, which I agree with. We will see how Sunday goes, I'm looking forward to it Lou, I hope the boys do it so you can stick it to those South Australians for a while |
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Post by MrCelery on Nov 10, 2005 18:29:03 GMT 10
I think we should do something to get rid of people who don't chant. Its probably not possible but something has to be done That would mean 'outing' a few 'core Marinators' who I observe rarely, or never, sing. They look good and appear enthusiastic, but are sadly lacking in the vocal department. Approach this idea with caution, as those no-vocal people (not me) probably add value in other ways. Better if you just prod them during a song, and say\sing "Sing up for Mariners". |
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Post by MrCelery on Nov 10, 2005 18:32:33 GMT 10
1) As a round table discussion between a dozen core Marinators, it was 100% agreed that all swearing, overly offensive, sexist, and (it goes without saying) discriminatory should be cut for the betterment of the group. Better double check the 'Sea Shanties' section of our website - it might need some culling! ;D
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Post by DJ on Nov 10, 2005 18:41:34 GMT 10
1) As a round table discussion between a dozen core Marinators, it was 100% agreed that all swearing, overly offensive, sexist, and (it goes without saying) discriminatory should be cut for the betterment of the group. Better double check the 'Sea Shanties' section of our website - it might need some culling! ;D lol I know But I think it's within reason, we only have what 2 songs which we used the word f***? Words like bloody and shit ain't swear words! I would say it's really referring to f*** and c**t! Where do we draw the line at over offensive thou? Calling Beltrame a fat bastard for example is fun ;D Telling Milosevic he shags sheep is funny, we all know it doesn't  maybe |
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Post by wok on Nov 10, 2005 18:41:54 GMT 10
i notice that "marinerd" has made another unproductive comment, you are entitled to your opinion and to voice your comments but maybe you need to look at creating your own thread and me and others will view it when we need to lower our I.Q, as you said "you have to fail an IQ test to be a marinator", if this is the case then you are the greatest supporter of them all
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Post by DJ on Nov 10, 2005 18:43:20 GMT 10
i notice that "marinerd" has made another unproductive comment, you are entitled to your opinion and to voice your comments but maybe you need to look at creating your own thread and me and others will view it when we need to lower our I.Q, as you said "you have to fail an IQ test to be a marinator", if this is the case then you are the greatest supporter of them all Just ignore him wok, they will get bored eventually when we don't respond, it's happened many times before! |
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Post by brett on Nov 10, 2005 19:09:53 GMT 10
With offensive things, the best litmus test is probably 'does it refer to anything sexual' and 95% of ones that do will be over the line. Other ones should sort themself out.
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maybe 