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Post by marinermick on Feb 8, 2006 8:57:08 GMT 10
The following information I am conveying may help things for Friday. There is no point moaning about what I have said below, we just have to get on with it and do the right thing Friday night.
It is unfair but basically it is the current state of play and there is no way to change it other then with time and behaviour.
Apparrently, according to the FFA, we were the worst set of supporters to ever visit Energy Australia Stadium and let me tell you why and all of what I say is alleged:
Security at the stadium have no event management experience. The only gig of magnitude that they do is the football at the stadium. Rugby League and other major events in Newcastle are handled by NES who are comptetant and efficient.
The head of this security firm is very close to the General Manager of the Jets and they are known to write their security reports together in the interest of the club.
We also know that police basically back and support everything security does and they get their report from the security company.
After our away game to Newcastle security were very aware of the incidences that occurred against us. However, the report submitted to the FFA after basically stated that we were ill-behaved, swore massively and instigated unruly behaviour. There was no mention of the problems with the corporate boxes.
In other words, given our history with the Jets and the hatred between the two clubs they are out to get us and will basically say anything in a report that suits their means.
I have been led to believe that there will be a massive police presence in our area Friday night. There will be police patrolling the walk to the train station, and police will escort us to and from the bus.
They will be also be on a no tolerance policy given our supposed reputation.
Therefore I am warning the Marinators to behave Friday night. I am confident that given the trip up will be lengthy for some the general intoxication level of our group will be low and some behaviour will be curbed.
Now, I don't necessarily think that having a large security and police presence is that bad in that the morons in the corporate box will behave.
But I do think that we have to be very careful given the history of security in the stadium and their lack of big match experience.
And after going to the cricket on Sunday my faith in the intelligence of our police force has also been shattered.
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Post by brett on Feb 8, 2006 9:05:33 GMT 10
Cheers for looking into it Mick.
As you said, I think it'll be better in some ways that we have all that around us. We should be protected.
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Post by kevrenor on Feb 8, 2006 9:31:51 GMT 10
...... Apparently, according to the FFA, we were the worst set of supporters to ever visit Energy Australia Stadium and let me tell you why and all of what I say is alleged ............ After our away game to Newcastle security were very aware of the incidences that occurred against us. However, the report submitted to the FFA after basically stated that we were ill-behaved, swore massively and instigated unruly behaviour. There was no mention of the problems with the corporate boxes. In other words, given our history with the Jets and the hatred between the two clubs they are out to get us and will basically say anything in a report that suits their means. I have been led to believe that there will be a massive police presence in our area Friday night. There will be police patrolling the walk to the train station, and police will escort us to and from the bus. They will be also be on a no tolerance policy given our supposed reputation. Therefore I am warning the Marinators to behave Friday night......... Much as I suspected MM, and of course it doesn't help that the FFA event management consultant is involved and not football people at FFA (as little of them as there are) and the clubs. Interesting that if FFA insiders thought the report correct it would have been raised with Lyall, and thence with us! Having that in mind it may help us that the 'Marinators' as such may be spread among a larger group of committed Mariners fans: 1. It may restrain our choice of language - which will get us in the shit, so to speak! 2. The larger group will I am confident join in our singing and chants (much as those at Suncorp and Aussie did) So to tactics: a) perhaps we don't wear our Marinators shirts this one time, but other Mariners gear if we have it b) we pre-choose our songs as much we can this week c) possibility - when we get there - as early as possible - we check on who is seated where and try to arrange song starters and area encouragers d) possibility - we do print a sheet for Bays 9, 10, 11 for our own supporters setting out the situation we are in - targetted unreasonably, ask for them to join in singing, have say two easy songs and chants on it, yellow paper? Of course we have to back it by behaving (leave going f***in mental to CCS) e) stay together and be ready to encourage any hotheads to cool down f) do NOT chuck anything - even beer! Just ideas! |
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Post by brett on Feb 8, 2006 9:35:25 GMT 10
...... Apparently, according to the FFA, we were the worst set of supporters to ever visit Energy Australia Stadium and let me tell you why and all of what I say is alleged ............ After our away game to Newcastle security were very aware of the incidences that occurred against us. However, the report submitted to the FFA after basically stated that we were ill-behaved, swore massively and instigated unruly behaviour. There was no mention of the problems with the corporate boxes. In other words, given our history with the Jets and the hatred between the two clubs they are out to get us and will basically say anything in a report that suits their means. I have been led to believe that there will be a massive police presence in our area Friday night. There will be police patrolling the walk to the train station, and police will escort us to and from the bus. They will be also be on a no tolerance policy given our supposed reputation. Therefore I am warning the Marinators to behave Friday night......... Much as I suspected MM, and of course it doesn't hep that the FFA event management consultant is involved and not football people at FFA (as little of them as there are) and the clubs. Having that in mind it may help us that the 'Marinators' as such may be spread among a larger group of committed Mariners fans: 1. It may restrain our choice of language - which will get us in the shit, so to speak! 2. The larger group will I am confident join in our singing and chants (much as those at Suncorp and Aussie did) So to tactics: a) perhaps we don't wear our Marinators shirts this one time, but other Mariners gear if we have it b) we pre-choose our songs as much we can this week c) possibility - when we get there - as early as possible - we check on who is seated where and try to arrange song starters and area encouragers d) possibility - we do print a sheet for Bays 9, 10, 11 for our own supporters setting out the situation we are in - targetted unreasonably, ask for them to join in singing, have say two easy songs and chants on it, yellow paper? Of course we have to back it by behaving (leave going f***in mental to CCS) e) stay together and be ready to encourage any hotheads to cool down f) do NOT chuck anything - even beer! Just ideas! Totally agree with the tactics and I think we should get them up on the website as soon as possible, and have it all printed out on the day for the non-forum marinators as well as the rest of the travelling support. With, of course, an explanation of the situation that is bringing about these tactics. |
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Post by DJ on Feb 8, 2006 9:35:40 GMT 10
Thanks for the heads up Mick, I'm not shooting the messenger but most on here know that a lot of that is shit!
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Post by marinermick on Feb 8, 2006 9:42:32 GMT 10
well it is a load of shit saying we were the worst supporters to travel there when sydney united fans came with flares, rocket launcher flares, and beat people up
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Post by glen006 on Feb 8, 2006 9:48:29 GMT 10
all the more reason to hate the f***ing c**ts
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Post by striker 9 on Feb 8, 2006 9:49:07 GMT 10
They will be also be on a no tolerance policy given our supposed reputation. I think this is just a ploy to frustrate the marinator in general and gain devious advantage for the jets. and as you said, the marinators have to remain cool and act in a way that it will not bring disrepute to the mariners..... |
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Post by blackadder on Feb 8, 2006 10:00:07 GMT 10
I do not want to been seen as creating trouble...but that report is the greatest load of bullshit, how they could say we were the worse lot of away supporters is beyond me obviously the plebs weren't there in the times of Sydney United,Olympic etc.
Personally don't agree with the suggestion about not wearing Marinators tops (Sorry Kev), Why because of some people have a problem with it should we be forced to limit the way we support the team. Not even in my days of traveling to Edensor,Marconi,Belmore etc did it come to this.
By all means make sure the hotheads are kept in check, but not wearing Marinators tops FFS
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Post by kevrenor on Feb 8, 2006 10:06:20 GMT 10
.... To even suggest we not where the Marinators shirt for the risk of offending someone, boo fricking hoo, if the Jests supporters can't handle someone wearing opposition supporters clothing they can go stuff themselves.. By all means make sure the hotheads are kept in check, but not wearing Marinators tops FFS Sad isn't it! I still think that it is sensible given the obvious provocation by the Stadium, and it also helps with WT's concerns that we are seen as a group that has to be 'joined' rather than just 'be'! These travelling fans are commited and are the most likely to want to join the Bay/s next season - it is also a chance to make them feel part of it! |
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Post by brett on Feb 8, 2006 10:11:56 GMT 10
yeah my main point with it in this instance is that i'd rather be seen as one of the 1000+ travelling fans, not one of the 100+ marinators at the back of a bay while the rest of the supporters do their own thing elsewhere.
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Post by blackadder on Feb 8, 2006 10:18:47 GMT 10
It goes way beyond Sad, really am to annoyed to to put my thoughts into words but sorry to say I will be wearing my Marinators Top on Friday night, if others have problems with it then they can deal with it (what next no scarves,flags etc)
As for people who see as a group to be joined we need to get across that despite the Marinators tops, it is open for all who want to join in singing/cheering for the Mariners (Prehaps spreading through out Bay 16 at CC Stadium and whatever bay we are in for Away games)
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Post by Pete on Feb 8, 2006 10:19:44 GMT 10
1) get the bus to drop off the group before getting to stadium.
2) wear jumpers or shirts over supporters jersey.
3) walk in casually in groups of two or three - no singing or chanting until in the bay.
Why they wanna escort a group in is a joke really. It may convey the wrong message to everyone else at the stadium.
By dispersing the group before they have a chance to start controlling it, ie from the carpark from the bus, no one will know who are the Marinators and who are just CCM supporters. Let the bus park in the stadium carpark empty. Do you think they will escort say two guys just walking in? Or two guys and a girl? NO.
I know this all sounds a little mischievous but it may circumvent the looks and stares that we copped the last time we went to EAS. By quietly taking your seats individually, will leave the cops & security in the carpark scratching their heads. And we have done nothing wrong with this ploy, merely we wanna get into our seats as low key as possible.
Just a thought folks. I hopefully will make it to this game, but will be travelling with a mate and his son - and I bet we don't escorted in or out.
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Post by kevrenor on Feb 8, 2006 10:26:43 GMT 10
It goes way beyond Sad, really am to annoyed to to put my thoughts into words but sorry to say I will be wearing my Marinators Top on Friday night, if others have problems with it then they can deal with it (what next no scarves,flags etc) ..... Mate, no one has a problem with it - it is up to each individual.  If you get to put your thoughts into words send to John O'Neill.  |
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Post by brett on Feb 8, 2006 10:28:07 GMT 10
1) get the bus to drop off the group before getting to stadium. 2) wear jumpers or shirts over supporters jersey. 3) walk in casually in groups of two or three - no singing or chanting until in the bay. Why they wanna escort a group in is a joke really. It may convey the wrong message to everyone else at the stadium. By dispersing the group before they have a chance to start controlling it, ie from the carpark from the bus, no one will know who are the Marinators and who are just CCM supporters. Let the bus park in the stadium carpark empty. Do you think they will escort say two guys just walking in? Or two guys and a girl? NO. I know this all sounds a little mischievous but it may circumvent the looks and stares that we copped the last time we went to EAS. By quietly taking your seats individually, will leave the cops & security in the carpark scratching their heads. And we have done nothing wrong with this ploy, merely we wanna get into our seats as low key as possible. Just a thought folks. I hopefully will make it to this game, but will be travelling with a mate and his son - and I bet we don't escorted in or out. wait, why do we want to not at least co-operate with the cops? what do we care about stares from the rest of the crowd? i think our best bet is co-operating with them and giving them as few reasons as possible to mistreat us. |
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Post by marinermick on Feb 8, 2006 10:29:36 GMT 10
1) get the bus to drop off the group before getting to stadium. 2) wear jumpers or shirts over supporters jersey. 3) walk in casually in groups of two or three - no singing or chanting until in the bay. Why they wanna escort a group in is a joke really. It may convey the wrong message to everyone else at the stadium. By dispersing the group before they have a chance to start controlling it, ie from the carpark from the bus, no one will know who are the Marinators and who are just CCM supporters. Let the bus park in the stadium carpark empty. Do you think they will escort say two guys just walking in? Or two guys and a girl? NO. I know this all sounds a little mischievous but it may circumvent the looks and stares that we copped the last time we went to EAS. By quietly taking your seats individually, will leave the cops & security in the carpark scratching their heads. And we have done nothing wrong with this ploy, merely we wanna get into our seats as low key as possible. Just a thought folks. I hopefully will make it to this game, but will be travelling with a mate and his son - and I bet we don't escorted in or out. wait, why do we want to not at least co-operate with the cops? what do we care about stares from the rest of the crowd? i think our best bet is co-operating with them and giving them as few reasons as possible to mistreat us. agreed, who gives a shit what people from scumcastle think |
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Post by jpmariner on Feb 8, 2006 10:40:33 GMT 10
I personally will be wearing my marinators shirt. its a right of passage. many ppl have worked hard long befor this league even started to create the kind of support we have been showing through out the year and im not about to let a couple of conspiring bogans decide my dress code. YES it is of upmost importance to adhear to what police and security expect of us(ive learnt many times you cant win against AUTHORITY)
However thats not to say we cant go bloddy mental just no swearing, but it has to be all action all volume for 90 minutes, just no swearing, is it that hard? we did it for a while in bay 16. we showed them how to do it last time, lets jogg their collective memories with finals football passion!
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Post by kevrenor on Feb 8, 2006 10:41:26 GMT 10
wait, why do we want to not at least co-operate with the cops? what do we care about stares from the rest of the crowd? i think our best bet is co-operating with them and giving them as few reasons as possible to mistreat us. agreed, who gives a shit what people from scumcastle think True, but it is more the matter of why put ourselves through their regimentation. I'm not on the bus so I don't care, but I thought the heavy handed treatment last time was odd. It is just a bus to get a small group of people to the ground! I think Pete's suggestion of dropping everyone off before the stadium and walking in with the rest of the crowd is a great idea! Coming out of course I would agree with acting as a group to avoid dickheads in shit coloured shirts! |
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Post by brett on Feb 8, 2006 10:57:56 GMT 10
agreed, who gives a shit what people from scumcastle think True, but it is more the matter of why put ourselves through their regimentation. I'm not on the bus so I don't care, but I thought the heavy handed treatment last time was odd. It is just a bus to get a small group of people to the ground! I think Pete's suggestion of dropping everyone off before the stadium and walking in with the rest of the crowd is a great idea! Coming out of course I would agree with acting as a group to avoid dickheads in shit coloured shirts! Maybe it's about setting a precedent. We're going to have to go up there twice a season or more. We can either start now to work with them, generally behave ourselves and show them that we aren't the bad guys. Or we can adopt a siege mentality for every trip up there, use guerilla tactics to avoid their control for the sake of it, and basically set ourselves up for discriminate treatment every time we go there. Honestly, I'm happy with either option! I dont mind a bit of hostility on the away derby. But is it what's best for the group? |
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Post by Pete on Feb 8, 2006 10:57:55 GMT 10
Um, maybe the corralling of the group into our seats is a) an intimidation b) conveying the message to those who witness this that we need some sort of protection or kept away from the general populace of the stadium.
I'm all for co operating with security and police, when there's a need. There isn't a need to get the group into our bay under escort. Maybe under escort out... but not in. As for mistreatment allegations, do you accept that mistreatment from security and police is a cross for us to bear WT? I certainly don't. Get their names and numbers if that starts happening.
I'll stay out of this for now WT, mate, cause I'm travelling individually and it should be left to those who are on the bus to decide what they wanna do. I was just offering up a suggestion to get a low key entry to the bay.
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