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Post by Dan on Feb 23, 2006 17:42:27 GMT 10
Yes, aslong as they are in no doubt that this is for Singing/chanting. Thats what we want.
I like ' The Dock ' by the way.
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Post by brett on Feb 23, 2006 17:51:42 GMT 10
Yes, aslong as they are in no doubt that this is for Singing/chanting. Thats what we want. I like ' The Dock ' by the way. Yeah me too. Lets not start going crazy trying to name it until we work out what we want to do with this and how we are going to implement a new name. I'm going to try restrain myself and see some other points of view for a while. Keep posting everyone!
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Post by pom pom on Feb 23, 2006 18:33:14 GMT 10
well. i agree with the colour coding idea and the idea about having signed warnings about singing and standing. also it has to be a YELLOW area-meaning people have to wear yellow......what i dont know about is bays 15 and 17. as some of you may have read on another thread, my dad,mum and sis all sit 3 seats in from the right,at the back of bay 17 each and every home game. they wear yellow, sing,and stand each time. i have even convinced them once to wear face paint ;D .but they dont want to be put in the middle of a whole bunch of crazy people like me and jimmy.but they are as happy as larry to sit on the side line of bay 16 to sing in with the songs that they know and stand when the game gets interesting or the chant "stand up ,for the mariners" comes around. i just dont want them to feel uncomfortable in and area where the might feel they have to stand the whole game just so they can see the game. i know that half the time i cant see in bay 16, but i know that might be an issue as soon as i enter that area,each and every week. What can i say im a fan of a little football team on the coast, and i sacrifice my view just so that i can half see my team win,win,win. do you understand what im saying? ? i dont think i will after i read it back. lol anyway.......on a good point of having bay 15 and 17 included, they could make sure they get those seats each week. but on the bad side will they have to stand the whole time. that might just be a thing that they have to do, if thy want to keep sitting/standing where they want.....oh well.im just rantting on..... ill just shut up now........
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Post by Farthing on Feb 23, 2006 18:43:39 GMT 10
I think keeping bay 16 in General Admission is the best idea, having it as a reserved seating aera is basicly saying we dont want new people. I would think alot of people that come around for the first time have reserved seating somewhere else they have paid for or are even members and sit in like blue area for example and come around and sit in bay 16 and every now and then we actually get someone that sings. but those people alot of them will still buy their reserved seating because they might sit with parents.
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Post by Pete on Feb 23, 2006 19:33:09 GMT 10
Personally I'd like to see bay 16 reserved, but I'm being selfish. The Bay at our last home game was a moshpit and the likes of Auburn and Froggy tried very hard, to the detriment of their enjoyment of the match, to co ordinate the singing and chanting. Too many newbies, who didn't know what the norms are in Bay 16, didn't help that angle - but it was great to finally say that Bay 16 was packed. In future, the Stadium may be forced to restrict the access to Bay 16 for such matches (expected big crowd - they had ample prior knowledge this was going to be the case judging by pre match sales). It could only be an "incident" in our area (someone getting injured or crowd being unruly, or a crowd crush) for them to look at that scenario. It would be in our best interests, to be pro active and approach the club and Stadium with a solution or plan prior to the need (and adverse publicity). I'm sure they'd appreciate our concerns on that line (crowd control, safety concerns) let alone the need to get everybody singing! I think a way might be to offer season tickets, much in the same way the club did this year, but on the White Season Ticket, have an option to select "Mariners Supporters Bay - The Marinators". If a person selects that, their Season ticket will show some sort of endorsement to that effect. Maybe in the Season Tickets Brochures, or on the CCMariners website where you would buy the Season Ticket, The Marinators could work with the club and enclose an information sheet about what being in Bay 16 means, ie, standing, singing chanting, wearing yellow. After the SeasonTickets have been sold, we would have an approximate idea of how many to expect to turn up for the matches. If it's short of the Bay 16 capacity, the remaining seats could be sold for each match as an option to the GA seating allocation. Again a person buying the ticket for any match would be asked the option, and they then would have to decide whether to join in the fun of Bay 16 or not. No excuses then for being in Bay16 and not having a sing. Of course, if Marinators GA Sesaon Tickets exceed bay 16, we need an extra bay. In the event of any incident in bay 16, the security and/ or police can ask for the people involved to produce their ticket. If it's not a Marinators type ticket, it's "cheerio", irrespective if they're in the right or wrong, or it's a minor matter that doesn't involve removal in normal circumstances. If bay 16 is not full, and folks wanna wander into the Bay to sample the Marinators, that's fine, so long as they don't find themselves having to talk to security. But, I'd be just as happy to see the same scenario as this year for next. It's only been a couple of matches where regulars to bay 16 have worried that their regular spot in the bay might have been taken up by others. If anything tho, it may be prudent to show ourselves to the club and Stadium Management that we share their concerns about the safety, well being of spectators to the Stadium and our goal to have everyone want to return again and again. By suggesting a plan that may help them breath a little easier about us in Bay 16 is good sense to me.
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Post by dibo (pron. "DIB-OH") on Feb 23, 2006 19:37:04 GMT 10
hahaha, the dock. i can see some of us in the dock, but not for what happens in bay 16! ;D that's a great name though
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Post by Murphs on Feb 23, 2006 19:59:13 GMT 10
how about bay 16 (and 15,17 later on) becoming GA-Standing?
that would clearly show that bay 16 is a standing area, and also that it is for anyone, not just the marinators. if people have to stand, then hopefully they will join a few songs and it will progress from there
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Post by kevrenor on Feb 23, 2006 20:04:33 GMT 10
how about bay 16 (and 15,17 later on) becoming GA-Standing? that would clearly show that bay 16 is a standing area, and also that it is for anyone, not just the marinators. if people have to stand, then hopefully they will join a few songs and it will progress from there FIFA I believe requiries all seating, but most of the world other than Europe that is a joke!
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Post by kevrenor on Feb 23, 2006 20:07:23 GMT 10
hahaha, the dock. i can see some of us in the dock, but not for what happens in bay 16! ;D that's a great name though Singing .... let's hear it from Otis Reading ..... "Standing in the bay in the Dock......!" Sorry old stuff!
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Post by gialloblu on Feb 23, 2006 20:47:59 GMT 10
As a relative newcomer, I think its important to make sure that the bay and the Marinators are as inclusive as possible, but, as last Friday showed, it needs to be organised.
If we can talk the club and Ticketek to make 15, 16 and 17 Marinators, or 'The Dock' specific GA tickets, along with a disclaimer about expected behaviour in the area, that would help.
I like the earlier ideas about making our own signs and warnings about behaviour in the area. I was thinking about this after Friday night. Maybe we could make our own 'code of conduct' flyers briefly explaining appropriate behaviour in the area.
Could be things like:
Expected to stand
Expected to sing, and follow the lead of the leaders with megaphones (assuming we have them for the start of next season).
Expected to wear yellow (although I don't think we should not let anyone in if they're newish and not wearing yellow)
Not act like a dickhead to other fans in the area. This will not be tolerated - anyone doing so will be asked to leave the area.
Don't stand in certain parts of the bay (these reserver for 'core' Marinators, maybe could be roped off).
General disclaimer: Bay 16 is for supporting, not posing. Anybody not willing to comply with the above behaviour should sit elsewhere in the ground.
On the other side of the flyers, we could print basic songs and chants. We could get Marinators to volunteer to get into the ground early and stand at the top of the two aisles leading to Bay 16 handing out the flyers.
I think peer pressure, for most games, will make sure most people go along with 'rules' like this.
This would all depend on how much the club and security will let us self-police. If we can get tacit agreement on their part (I don't think they could officially sanction it), it could work.
Pre-empting a vote on what to call the are, I think 'The Dock' is great. It has a great double meaning ;D
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Post by pom pom on Feb 23, 2006 22:09:43 GMT 10
As a relative newcomer, I think its important to make sure that the bay and the Marinators are as inclusive as possible, but, as last Friday showed, it needs to be organised. If we can talk the club and Ticketek to make 15, 16 and 17 Marinators, or 'The Dock' specific GA tickets, along with a disclaimer about expected behaviour in the area, that would help. I like the earlier ideas about making our own signs and warnings about behaviour in the area. I was thinking about this after Friday night. Maybe we could make our own 'code of conduct' flyers briefly explaining appropriate behaviour in the area. Could be things like: Expected to stand Expected to sing, and follow the lead of the leaders with megaphones (assuming we have them for the start of next season). Expected to wear yellow (although I don't think we should not let anyone in if they're newish and not wearing yellow) Not act like a dickhead to other fans in the area. This will not be tolerated - anyone doing so will be asked to leave the area. Don't stand in certain parts of the bay (these reserver for 'core' Marinators, maybe could be roped off). General disclaimer: Bay 16 is for supporting, not posing. Anybody not willing to comply with the above behaviour should sit elsewhere in the ground. On the other side of the flyers, we could print basic songs and chants. We could get Marinators to volunteer to get into the ground early and stand at the top of the two aisles leading to Bay 16 handing out the flyers. I think peer pressure, for most games, will make sure most people go along with 'rules' like this. This would all depend on how much the club and security will let us self-police. If we can get tacit agreement on their part (I don't think they could officially sanction it), it could work. Pre-empting a vote on what to call the are, I think 'The Dock' is great. It has a great double meaning ;D some good ideas there-mainly the fliers. but then we dont want there to be a rubbish problem. if we can work around that, then why not do it...
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Post by Astroboy on Feb 23, 2006 22:16:35 GMT 10
Sorry but I don't agree with making BAY16 a "Marinators area only", if you get new people to this site, some of this stuff might put they off. I think the majoirty of the hard core fans know what to expect in that area.
What I do like is the idea of a basic song sheet to hand out to ALL fans, might encourage some of the "yellow cardboard people" to join in.
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Post by omni on Feb 23, 2006 22:23:42 GMT 10
I'm with RVs idea of banners proclaiming that this is the vocal supporters bay, rather then that stupid sign we've got now (that the stadium puts there). Doesn't need to be as over the top as RV's suggestion, just a sign on the metal thing behind Bay 16 saying 'Vocal Supporters Bay' would be enough.
There are pros and cons, I'm undecided.
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Post by Fish on Feb 23, 2006 22:33:42 GMT 10
Bay 16 for me isnt about being an exclusive area to stand with the hardcore fans its about standing with my mates shouting for the lads and getting beer thrown on me the numerous times we score.I knew no one in the marinators when I first wandered over and now I know hundreds of people and to limit the opportunity for this to happen to other fans isnt really for us to decide. I think its fair to say we all struggled with the influx last week of new people and somehow were thinking this was a bad thing? I think we need to change a few things but little steps would be the way to go for me as I think if we start making conditions of entry that will take away some our uniqueness as a group which is what people love about us. Minor improvements like song sheets and song leaders are achievable easily but colour coding the chairs and ticketing 16 is a bigger issue and a more expensive proposition. To be honest Id turn up whatever was done to it but we need to make decisions that will enhance the experience not drive people away and have them thinking "those blokes think they own the place" I love being in Bay 16
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Post by Adz on Feb 23, 2006 23:34:32 GMT 10
I'm with Fish on this, we should be encouraging people, not roping off areas and turning away people. Instead of getting the people who aren't joining in to piss off we should be thinking of how to get them to join in.
As for the overcrowding issue.. it's packed in bay 16 all year even with pissy crowds of 5,000.. absolute shitfight with 15,000+. I have no idea about how to change that. Someone says "the ultimate goal is to have the whole end of the ground in yellow and standing and singing", but then "I won't leave bay 16"... so everyone thinks like this and it's just going to keep getting packed out in bay 16 every week!!
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Post by dibo (pron. "DIB-OH") on Feb 24, 2006 8:43:26 GMT 10
i'd be happy to be standing in bay 13 or whatever, if i was still part of the group. there's nothing in particular about bay 16 that's special. as we expand, we're going to have to take in more bays. having some sort of explicit indication that it's not just bay 16 would help, because i think it's the fact that everyone thinks it's bay 16 only is the cause of the overcrowding. however that happens is up for debate.
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Post by striker 9 on Feb 24, 2006 9:02:03 GMT 10
Guys, the priciple is : "everyone who buys a ticket is a customer and has equal right of entry and a seat." if they buy a GA ticket and they get to bay 16 beore a marinator then tuff luck.....and as dibo said, we'll rpobably need Bays 15 & 17 from now on anyway! keep it as is!
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Post by Yellowbeard on Feb 24, 2006 9:50:59 GMT 10
Ideally I wouldnt change a thing. Keep people coming and going as they please. HOWEVER, if we keep cramming as many people in there as we did last week it is only a matter of time before someone gets seriously hurt. Too many people jumping, pushing, hugging etc. For that reason we need to do something I believe
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Post by brett on Feb 24, 2006 11:20:12 GMT 10
Too many people jumping, pushing, hugging etc. Not to mention kissing
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Post by jamie on Feb 24, 2006 14:57:31 GMT 10
no i dont think thats a good idea i also think it would discourage new comers the flyers and megaphone ideas sound great but at the end of the day it is GA and that means ppl can sit were they want
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