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Post by Foriegnmariner on Mar 20, 2007 20:12:38 GMT 10
If Lawrie puts Kwasnik up front the "SACK KWASIE" thread will me back out (no this is not an invitation to start up that thread again just making a point). Tommy p is far more effective as an attacking midfielder. if we have a spare spot im sure lawrie will dig up a NSW Prem league player to fill to void but i fell that more defenders are needed before we think about 5th strikers.
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Post by Andy on Mar 20, 2007 20:36:17 GMT 10
If Lawrie puts Kwasnik up front the "SACK KWASIE" thread will me back out (no this is not an invitation to start up that thread again just making a point). That's probaly the main reason why we want another striker. |
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Post by DJ on Mar 20, 2007 21:03:14 GMT 10
If Lawrie puts Kwasnik up front the "SACK KWASIE" thread will me back out (no this is not an invitation to start up that thread again just making a point). That's probaly the main reason why we want another striker. an U20 player will become the 'other striker', most likely James Holland. The money isn't there for another striker who will push Mrdja or Petrovski all the way. I guess the point I was trying to make is we have players available who have proved they can play up front! If any squad in the HAL lose their 2 best attackers it would seriously cripple them, we are no different. |
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Post by ~Floss~ on Mar 20, 2007 21:48:58 GMT 10
If any squad in the HAL lose their 2 best attackers it would seriously cripple them, we are no different. I think the difference is that we can't be certain how much confidence to have in Mrdja. 2 strikers of that standard would be sufficient, since there should be a few to choose from who 'could play there' for the few weeks of the season IF needed on occasion. Perhaps some people are concerned that if the worst happens it could be the other way around, i.e. we play most of the season with a 'could play there' player, and only a few weeks with both strikers fit. That is, of course, ignoring the likelihood of a few stints by short-termers in the (touch wood) unlikely event of long-term or recurrent injuries. |
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Post by marinermick on Mar 21, 2007 10:33:52 GMT 10
I agree with the sentiment here. We cannot be relying on Mrdja for two reasons:
1. His history in the last two years
2. It will take him a full season to get back up to speed.
His role coming of the bench at Perth where he scored fifteen goals would be ideal for us. Will ease his body back into professional football and not jolt it back into injury.
Saso is also now over thirty and will no doubt miss some of the season through injury as all of the other 30+ mariners have done so in the past two seasons.
We can have players fill in as strikers but the last two seasons show that this is ineffective.
Our two major priorities IMO are a good, young mobile striker and a good fullback - preferably left.
I guess this is just a wishlist for turning the team into a top two contender but I am aware of the money issues.
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Post by DJ on Mar 21, 2007 10:33:55 GMT 10
well IMO we managed without Mrdja in season 1, SP, Tommy and Hutch came up with the goods so if Mrdja does get injured again we have people who can fill in. I would rather see us pay some decent money to a decent LB (the Heff hopefully) who we know can also pop up with a few goals.
In saying that thou I think Mrdja will have an awesome season next year.
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Post by Pete on Mar 21, 2007 12:44:37 GMT 10
DJ, Tommy and Hutch both had average seasons in V2, and I surely hope that Hutch, for one, realises that what happened to Spencer with the talk on this forum last season can quite easily transfer onto him if he doesn't perform. I felt he was a major let down last season.
Tommy had injuries and no time to settle back in. Hopefully he will be back to his cheeky best in V3.
Neither of them should be counted as even fill in strikers on V2 form. It should be Petrovski, Mrdja, Holland and then maybe Kwasnik. Lawrie may have to learn to utilise the youth he has in Holland rather than juts warehousing him for a season, and giving him the odd 10 minutes here and there. IF Hutch hits some form, then he could also be considered as a backup striker. Tommy is more effective behind the frontline.
I also find it curious that the likes of Porter, Holland, Jedinak and Redmayne are playing in the off season for another team, but guys who should be looking to get off to a good start for the season like Hutch, Mrdja, Tommy & Clarkey (improving upon how they performed in V2) are enjoying an off season. Seems if you are over 25 in the Mariners, you don't have to do any "overtime"?
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Post by T on Mar 21, 2007 12:54:07 GMT 10
Hutch was recovering from an ACL reconstruction last year, and his problems seemed to be more mental than physical, the few times I saw him play, he was still protecting his knee and the only way to get over that is to play more..... The average sports person takes a good 12 months to fully recover from an ACL reconstruction and get back to their peak playing performance. Hopefully he will improve through V3.
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Post by Pete on Mar 21, 2007 12:58:16 GMT 10
Hutch was recovering from an ACL reconstruction last year, and his problems seemed to be more mental than physical, the few times I saw him play, he was still protecting his knee and the only way to get over that is to play more..... The average sports person takes a good 12 months to fully recover from an ACL reconstruction and get back to their peak playing performance. Hopefully he will improve through V3. Agreed T, Hutch looked like he was playing well within his capabilities. You can't keep doing that and hope that no one notices. If gametime was the solution to his problems, why didn't he put his name down for Lightning? |
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Post by T on Mar 21, 2007 13:03:47 GMT 10
Gametime was the solution to my recovery after the same op, I had mine a few weeks before Hutch and it's only now that I'm back to where I started before the injury. I can't see Hutch playing for anything other than a pro team though. It might hurt his ego.
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Post by DJ on Mar 21, 2007 13:28:10 GMT 10
DJ, Tommy and Hutch both had average seasons in V2, and I surely hope that Hutch, for one, realises that what happened to Spencer with the talk on this forum last season can quite easily transfer onto him if he doesn't perform. I felt he was a major let down last season. Tommy had injuries and no time to settle back in. Hopefully he will be back to his cheeky best in V3. Neither of them should be counted as even fill in strikers on V2 form. It should be Petrovski, Mrdja, Holland and then maybe Kwasnik. Lawrie may have to learn to utilise the youth he has in Holland rather than juts warehousing him for a season, and giving him the odd 10 minutes here and there. IF Hutch hits some form, then he could also be considered as a backup striker. Tommy is more effective behind the frontline. I also find it curious that the likes of Porter, Holland, Jedinak and Redmayne are playing in the off season for another team, but guys who should be looking to get off to a good start for the season like Hutch, Mrdja, Tommy & Clarkey (improving upon how they performed in V2) are enjoying an off season. Seems if you are over 25 in the Mariners, you don't have to do any "overtime"? Tommy and Hutch have had their fair amount of injuries since joining us, V2 was just a bad year for them and they never really got time to get going. Season 1 Tommy scored 2 and created 6, Hutch was visa versa so we all know they can do it. Hutcho came back from a near possible career ending challenge and struggled week in week out throughout the season, to say that he could become the next Spencer is rubbish IMO. I also think it's perfectly ok to consider Pondeljak, Hutch, Owens and Kwasnik as possible back up strikers after Mrdja, Petrovski and Holland. |
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Post by Pete on Mar 21, 2007 13:49:32 GMT 10
If Hutch offers no excuses for his form, we have to assume he's fit but not performing well. If he says to Lawrie he's right to play, Lawrie will expect him to perform.
Different if he told Lawrie he maybe only 80% right after the injury, and made that clear to the public. (A check of the Mariners website had a news release when Hutch first returned from injury and the context of that release had Lawrie very pleased that Hutch came back ahead of schedule and that Hutch was prepared to put 7 months of agony and hard work behind him. Sounds like he was fit to return then?)Yes, he struggled, he was slow and his passing was ineffective, he fiddled with the ball and sometimes got caught with ball by the opposition. Sounds like what Spencer was doing, to me? BTW, I was more than patient with Hutch when he initally played some games as a sub, but he just never improved and it was always "fingers crossed" that he could somehow do something when he went on.(Another check of the Mariners news releases from their website shows that Hutch, according to these releases, did suffer from subsequent ankle injuries and was one of the unluckier players in the squad in regards to injuries, but was back from injury. Seems to be not carrying any injury.)
If he was struggling as much as you allude to, maybe he should have done the right thing and told Lawrie he shouldn't be selected. Maybe he did just that, but Lawrie had no options but to put an 80% fit Hutch onto the field. Maybe you should ask Lawrie that next time you see him, and let us all know what the 'go' was last season with Hutch, because it was bl**dy disappointing to watch Hutch play well within himself and not be anywhere as effective as he was in V1 with no public disclaimer for his form.(To recap, the news releases on the Mariners website show Hutch returning from his serious injury ahead of schedule and everyone happy, then copping an ankle injury, having time off, then returning - no mention that the public shouldn't be expecting Hutch to be as effective due to onngoing rehabilitation of an injury and having to play.)
Agreed that in V1 Hutch was a very decent stop gap striker. IF he regains that form, great, put him in there.
I do believe that Tommy is more effective running the ball into the box or staying out wide and crossing in, and creating chances with breaks thru gaps and offloading to a finisher, rather than right in the box and dealing with the defence line up close. So we disagree there.
Haven't seen much of Owens so can't comment about whether he could stop gap as a striker.
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Post by dibo (pron. "DIB-OH") on Mar 21, 2007 14:44:37 GMT 10
hutch, like any other member of the squad, had no option but to play unless they practically couldn't run. remember our injury list ran to six or seven for the majority of last season, we simply couldn't field a team if the only players were those who were 100%.
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Post by jazasydneyfc on Mar 21, 2007 14:48:25 GMT 10
I also think it's perfectly ok to consider Pondeljak, Hutch, Owens and Kwasnik as possible back up strikers after Mrdja, Petrovski and Holland. Once again spot on. The club only has so much cap. Between Petrovski, Mrdja, Pondeljak and Owens there would be a fair bit of cap taken up in attacking players already (they'd all be on 6 figures if not jsut under). Then add key wages for Gumprecht (CM), Hutchinson (upgraded after year 1), Wilkinson (newly upgraded) and you start to see where it's gone. By my figures the Mariners have one serious wage left to dish out along with some good apprentice packages for the younger ones. That one solid wage is left for Heffernan (who would want it to come home) or another player. Surely that player has to be a quality fullback of some description... At the end of the day you're looking at approx 40 goals to win the league. Between Petrovski/Mrdja/Kwasnik/Owens/Pondeljak you're looking for 30 of those. Then another ten between Hutchinson, Gumprecht, McMaster, O'Grady (?), and maybe even Jedinak. That's doable. It just means the forward line has to stand up and be counted - but that was always the case, right? |
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Post by Ursus on Mar 21, 2007 15:58:03 GMT 10
Jaza, You are really going to have to buy yourself a yellow shirt for next season. Why are you wasting your time with Sydney? You know where you really want to be.  |
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Post by Pete on Mar 22, 2007 1:11:51 GMT 10
hutch, like any other member of the squad, had no option but to play unless they practically couldn't run. remember our injury list ran to six or seven for the majority of last season, we simply couldn't field a team if the only players were those who were 100%. Question: Why doesn't someone say as such, instead of "brilliant he's back better than ever" type of news release? Answer: Not letting the opposition know your weakness. Look thru those news releases on their website and you'll see what I mean. Maybe there should have been a little caution expressed by those writing the release. It's bad enough not believing what Pollies and the Daily Telegraph say, but also having a bit of caution about what the Mariners release as news is a bit rough.  |
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Post by jazasydneyfc on Mar 22, 2007 8:26:44 GMT 10
Jaza, You are really going to have to buy yourself a yellow shirt for next season. Why are you wasting your time with Sydney? You know where you really want to be. The infamous Jaza (TM) has no need to travel north other than to enjoy quality beverage at a picturesque ground to watch his yellow foes be vanquished. Or possibly to see some friends from QLD and watch Jedinak go two feet in and take the red card like a man. People need to be schooled on football basics. |
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Post by serious14 on Mar 22, 2007 8:45:40 GMT 10
watch Jedinak go two feet in and take the red card like a man. That was a quality tackle and you know it..... |
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Post by marinermick on Mar 22, 2007 8:56:02 GMT 10
Jaza, You are really going to have to buy yourself a yellow shirt for next season. Why are you wasting your time with Sydney? You know where you really want to be. and watch Jedinak go two feet in and take the red card like a man. bit like milligan's or topor-stanley's tackles last night |
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Post by jazasydneyfc on Mar 22, 2007 9:29:14 GMT 10
watch Jedinak go two feet in and take the red card like a man. That was a quality tackle and you know it..... I loved the way he took the red like a man and jogged straight off the pitch. None of this messing about acting like a bitch trying to get it rescinded (which of course is impossible), just got up and jogged off down the tunnel. Was awesome  And yes Mick - Millsy and Jedinak (for mine) are tied as the hardest midfield nuts in the comp. |
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