DBoon21
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Post by DBoon21 on Aug 10, 2007 6:10:00 GMT 10
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jip
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Post by jip on Aug 10, 2007 7:57:59 GMT 10
Knick the league boof-heads off for good. We watch real football on the coast.
C'mon Singo, get over the arse pokers, biters and eye gougers. Throw some more of your coffers into the Mariners.
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Post by MrCelery on Aug 10, 2007 8:25:04 GMT 10
Knick the league boof-heads off for good. We watch real football on the coast. C'mon Singo, get over the arse pokers, biters and eye gougers. Throw some more of your coffers into the Mariners. Here, here! Instead of the knuckle-dragging simians, top up your Mariners income with some extra quality (real) football matches in winter. If you believe the Newcastle papers, the Jest are getting David Beckham, so I'm sure we can do better! You can also start planning for when the Asian & World Cup qualification rounds begin. Say "No" to the 'no necks'! |
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Post by jip on Aug 10, 2007 8:37:22 GMT 10
Knick the league boof-heads off for good. We watch real football on the coast. C'mon Singo, get over the arse pokers, biters and eye gougers. Throw some more of your coffers into the Mariners. Here, here! You can also start planning for when the Asian & World Cup qualification rounds begin. Ah, we can dream.  Until Singo sexually satisfies himself with David Gallop, our call will not be heard. |
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Post by Adz on Aug 10, 2007 10:06:15 GMT 10
Not having a permanent NRL team on the coast is probably the best thing for everyone... let me explain ;D
I reckon NRL crowds are the most fickle supporters. Just look at the Souths bandwagon when they got kicked out of the league, they had 40,000+ going to protest to get them back in the league, but now do you see 40,000 to every souths game? (the answer is no with a capital "f***" before it). Without a permanent team it's good for all the bandwagoners because they can just rock up every now and then, cheer for the winning team, and have no real commitment to the sport. This is good for Singo too because he is getting crowds through the gates, and he doesn't have to push for a permanent team on the coast. And finally it's good for the Mariners because there isn't an NRL team competing for memberships and merchandise $$$... everybody wins.
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Post by marinermick on Aug 10, 2007 10:15:12 GMT 10
Not having a permanent NRL team on the coast is probably the best thing for everyone... let me explain ;D I reckon NRL crowds are the most fickle supporters. Just look at the Souths bandwagon when they got kicked out of the league, they had 40,000+ going to protest to get them back in the league, but now do you see 40,000 to every souths game? (the answer is no with a capital "f***" before it). Without a permanent team it's good for all the bandwagoners because they can just rock up every now and then, cheer for the winning team, and have no real commitment to the sport. This is good for Singo too because he is getting crowds through the gates, and he doesn't have to push for a permanent team on the coast. And finally it's good for the Mariners because there isn't an NRL team competing for memberships and merchandise $$$... everybody wins. agree about the crowds being fickle knights supporters are considered one of the most loyal yet their crowds flucuate from 12000 to 30000 on any given match |
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Post by blackadder on Aug 11, 2007 10:30:57 GMT 10
Any sport suffers the fickle crowd fate, esp in Sydney and surrounding areas so much competition for the spectator dollar.
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Post by Pete on Aug 11, 2007 12:34:58 GMT 10
True Blackadder, fickle crowds are the underside to this so called Aussie Sports Mad mentality. If the Swans have a bad season they will experience a similar drop in crowd averages too.
Top that up with the squeeze for the dollar within a family, time constraints etc., it's amazing that as many folks turn up for sports events at all.
I'm kinda bittersweet about the implications of the above article. Singo, on the one hand, is saying he's thankful (very) that the Mariners venture has been successful as that gives his Bluetongue Stadium some revenue that he hasn;t gotten from a permanent NRL team, then he's also implying that he'd really wants a full NRL programme up on the Stadium, and is on his way to achieving this -and citing the success of the Mariners as proof of sorts that crowds will turn up.
Then there's the insulting bit about the Manly Sea Eagles possibly opting to use Bluetongue if Brookvale Oval is a no-go. Didn't they screw over the concept of using Bluetongue ages ago by only putting uncompetitive games up on the coast and saying their spiritual home is Brookvale, then buggering off back there leaving the Council and CCLC in the lurch?
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Post by insight on Aug 15, 2007 14:00:34 GMT 10
The Rays will help Football as well!
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Post by marinermick on Aug 15, 2007 14:04:59 GMT 10
The Rays will help Football as well! how? |
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Post by mustapha_beer on Aug 15, 2007 15:41:57 GMT 10
Not having a permanent NRL team on the coast is probably the best thing for everyone... let me explain ;D I reckon NRL crowds are the most fickle supporters. Just look at the Souths bandwagon when they got kicked out of the league, they had 40,000+ going to protest to get them back in the league, but now do you see 40,000 to every souths game? (the answer is no with a capital "f***" before it). Without a permanent team it's good for all the bandwagoners because they can just rock up every now and then, cheer for the winning team, and have no real commitment to the sport. This is good for Singo too because he is getting crowds through the gates, and he doesn't have to push for a permanent team on the coast. And finally it's good for the Mariners because there isn't an NRL team competing for memberships and merchandise $$$... everybody wins. Been having a think about this, and I think Adz's last 2 points are spot on. As long as they can keep getting NRL teams to commit to playing a certain number of games at Bluetongue, there will be less of a push to establish a full-time Rugby League team on the Central Coast, and therefore less direct threat to the Mariners in terms of getting people through the gates. Not living on the Central Coast, I don't know for sure what people's sporting preferences are, but I do worry a bit about whether the area could support both a football and a rugby league team, and if not whether it would be the Mariners that would suffer. |
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Post by dibo (pron. "DIB-OH") on Aug 15, 2007 16:08:02 GMT 10
the express is carrying a story about there being up to 9 games a year at the stadium.
this *is* a problem, because they are averaging something like 16k there this year.
9 matches would be 144k across the year. we would have to average over 12k to match their draw on money for tickets.
rl will be a bigger drawcard than us.
this is the sort of thing that the NRL will be looking at, and they are likely to offer incentive payments to get a club to move there.
don't think that singo wouldn't take an nrl team in a second if he got the chance either.
basically, we need to boost our crowds to ensure that we remain the biggest thing in town.
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Post by Pete on Aug 15, 2007 17:01:42 GMT 10
We remain the biggest thing IN town Dibo, the other matches at Bluetongue are blowins.
I'd reckon that if the NRL started shifting more games away from existing NRL grounds, the members and season ticket holders would start saying something about it. ( I know they probably get free tix for comparable seats, but they find themselves having to travel to Gosford ) At the moment, they are being gracious because it's a bit of a novelty. But if it became permanent that one or two teams would play some of their 'home' games many miles away from their usual base, those used to wandering up to the local home ground might start getting miffed.
Remember too, the NRL can play as many games as it likes, there's no home team here, it's a blow in game and the locals know that, the NRL have already knocked back a team for the CC on at least two occassions and their history with the relocation of the Bears makes the administration of that code of football quite edgy about another go.
Singo has the Stadium to sell between March and July or so. I just find it hypocritical that Manly, of all NRL teams, seems prepared to want to place a game here when they have screwed over everyone here a few years back.
Put it this way, if Singo put on the Rolling Stones or U2, that show would be the biggest thing in town, but everyone knows they don't reside here and have little to do with the Central Coast community other than some nifty promos and take the money and run. Same for the NRL and people should start viewing it that way, instead of a threat to the Mariners. Different game, different modus operandi.(But I reckon that the Mariners should ensure some priority of tenure, as they seem to have become Singo's bread and butter)
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Post by dibo (pron. "DIB-OH") on Aug 15, 2007 17:10:21 GMT 10
i don't buy your angle that manly screwed over the coast.
crowds up there were crap, so they chose not to play games there anymore.
[edit] on the bears: they enver actually got a chance to play out of the ground. in the late 90s the bears did lots of groundwork towards a move and having a central coast local in david fairleigh in the side helped. the stadium was built with them in mind, as you can see when you look at the seats - they say still 'bears'.
unfortunately for the bears, they got the arse before they got a chance to play a game and were forcibly merged into the northern eagles - a bit like canning us and forcing us to merge with the scum and share games...[/edit]
other games are going up there as a novelty, and they're not doing the weekin week out support of a team, but there is still the fact that they're getting bigger crowds than we get and they're going to be doing it more often. they are going to be a threat in the battle for limited dollars from tight family budgets.
we need to make the finals this year and we need to get our home form in order.
with big crowds, your home is a fortress, but with good form comes good crowds.
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Post by Pete on Aug 15, 2007 17:27:56 GMT 10
They are getting bigger crowds, possibly because the game is being promoted both in Sydney and/or Newcastle (particularly if it involves the Knights) AND the Central Coast.
There is also a significant number of Sydney ex-pats living on the Coast, who have a fondness for one NRL team or another, because they supported that team when they lived in Sydney, growing up. I have a mate who supports the Mariners and St.George NRL team, but he lives in Umina. There are many folks like that.
[edit:] Look at your own userbars, Dibo, you have split loyaties yourself - how many Dragons games have you gone to this year? If you lived on the Coast and saw a game coming up that featured the Dragons would you go?
I deliberately stopped supporting the Bulldogs when the Coffs Harbour Allegations came out, and the start of the Mariners and the HAL happened soon after. So luckily I don't feel obliged to lend any support to the NRL or the Bulldogs.
Manly, I believe, had to choose which games to put on when the Bears franchise fell to them, as the surviving club. They got a lot of pressure from their own fanbase & Board about the games in Gosford, and I think they deliberately put the weaker games on up at Bluetongue (then Central Coast Stadium or Grahame Park), so that little crowds would attend and they could hold the small crowds up as evidence of a push to return to Brookvale.
[edit:] Many folks both up here and in Sydney knew that the Northern Eagles was really Manly in disguise after the North Sydney Bears fell away from the venture. And Manly were forced to merge with the Bears, I believe, in the aftermath of the Super League war - so their heart wasn't in saving a joint venture they weren't too keen on on the first place
There is still a large number of folks following NRL up here, make no bones about it. And there is still junior Rugby League being played, too. The Mariners still have along way to go to capture the majority of the market up here for the sports $$, but they are certainly taking great steps top ensure that once they make it to the top of the heap, they will stay there.
[edit #2: Insert of line breaks - happy now Dibo?]
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Post by dibo (pron. "DIB-OH") on Aug 15, 2007 18:00:50 GMT 10
feel free to add a line break or two there pete, that's hard on the eyes! i haven't been to any dragons matches this year, and looking at the crowds so far it looks like nobody else has either!  it's never the right time or place, and there's always something else on. the mariners are a different story - if something else is on, i don't go to it (with very few exceptions - like missing sunday's game to clean my house for inspection and then fly out for work). a central coast nrl team taht was strictly central coast and playing 11-12 games a year would draw big crowds. i wouldn't be one of them, but there would be plenty who would. |
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Post by shelleybeach on Aug 16, 2007 7:19:02 GMT 10
how much did singo pay?
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Post by Rowdy on Aug 16, 2007 11:39:48 GMT 10
I'd love to know this as well! I've been doing trying to find some info on the CC Stadium for a while now. I thought Singo only had the management and Advertising rights ( and a small stake-holding) to the Stadium but have since been informed by a journo (edit: Josh Massoud who wrote article at start of thread) from the Tele that Singo 'OWNS IT OUTRIGHT!" This surprised me as I was under the assumption that Gosford City Council and the NSW Government were stakeholders along with the now defunct North Sydney Bears who on-sold their stake-holding to Singo. Can't recall any front page article in the CC Express saying "Gosford Council & NSW Gov. sells it share to Singo", though not reading it doesn't surprise me either. |
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Post by marinermick on Aug 16, 2007 11:43:32 GMT 10
I'd love to know this as well! I've been doing trying to find some info on the CC Stadium for a while now. I thought Singo only had the management and Advertising rights ( and a small stake-holding) to the Stadium but have since been informed by a journo (edit: Josh Massoud who wrote article at start of thread) from the Tele that Singo 'OWNS IT OUTRIGHT!" This surprised me as I was under the assumption that Gosford City Council and the NSW Government were stakeholders along with the now defunct North Sydney Bears who on-sold their stake-holding to Singo. Can't recall any front page article in the CC Express saying "Gosford Council & NSW Gov. sells it share to Singo", though not reading it doesn't surprise me either. i really doubt he owns it massoud probably means owning the management rights |
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Post by northernspirit on Aug 16, 2007 11:46:22 GMT 10
he's obviously using all these games to build a case for a full time NRL team on the Coast...
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Until Singo sexually satisfies himself with David Gallop, our call will not be heard. 
