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Post by offtheball on Sept 17, 2007 17:17:14 GMT 10
Only heard this second hand, anyone at the game?
Gosford Under 12 girls on Sunday claimed a goal that was allowed by the referee. It went under the net and out the back though and the opposition appealed saying it had missed.
Linesman waved his flag saying it missed and the ref overturned his decision.
Video evidence that confirmed the goal had been scored was refused.
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Post by hilly1981 on Sept 18, 2007 22:52:19 GMT 10
Must of been an unco linesman or just a cheat. Very dodgy indeed....
Did it cost them the game in the end?
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Post by simmette on Sept 18, 2007 23:25:53 GMT 10
yes, the Gosford team lost the game 2 - 1. If the goal had been allowed, which it should have been, the game would have gone into extra time.
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Post by thesandman on Sept 18, 2007 23:58:54 GMT 10
hilly1981 - I'd be very careful about accusations of cheating, that's very inappropriate. From the line it can actually be quite difficult to tell if the ball has gone in the goal or just missed as you don't have the perspective of an open goal mouth (all you can see is the ball crossing behind a post, as when you're on the goal line the entire goal just looks like a single post - the net doesn't have a lot of definition against a ball). Just because an official makes a wrong decision it doesn't automatically mean he's a cheat! I have heard about this incident, but I won't go into what I've heard. The OP's story is slightly different from what I've heard, and I daresay there's a few different variations of the story going around. In regards to video evidence being 'refused' - well, the referee cannot act on video evidence, FIFA are very clear on that. I don't know if it can be admitted in an appeal, but considering the decision is merely an interpretation of events (in much the same way as a missed foul, or bad decision leading to a penalty is merely the referee's interpretation of events) as opposed to actually getting the laws of the game wrong then I don't think there can be a case for appeal. It does sound like the girls got hard done buy, but in the long run teams will generally benefit from referee mistakes as much as they'll suffer from them. Look at it this way - the match could've finished 2-2 (instead of 2-3 had it been allowed) and Gosford lose in extra time - that would've been much worse, at least there's still the chance that they would've lost anyway. Y eah, I know, that's not the point, but let's look on the bright side here  I would think that any official in this situation would at least reflect upon the situation to figure out how the stuff-up occurred to ensure it doesn't happen again. |
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Post by midfielder on Sept 19, 2007 0:42:56 GMT 10
Offtheball & hilly1981, I been playing for more than forty years, missed making the grand final this year from a hand of god inside the box so the pox could get control of the ball.
Under 12's mate come on they out there to have fun not to win. Sounds to me winning more important to you than the girls.
Most ref's and linie's give their best and without them we would not have 500, 000 registered players, in organised games. Hand off it mate, 11 year old girls ref and linie about 14 or 15 normally, give em a break.
Shake the ref's hand and say thanks and by the way can you get the club to peg down those nets.
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Post by offtheball on Sept 19, 2007 7:04:36 GMT 10
Offtheball & hilly1981, I been playing for more than forty years, missed making the grand final this year from a hand of god inside the box so the pox could get control of the ball. Under 12's mate come on they out there to have fun not to win. Sounds to me winning more important to you than the girls. Most ref's and linie's give their best and without them we would not have 500, 000 registered players, in organised games. Hand off it mate, 11 year old girls ref and linie about 14 or 15 normally, give em a break. Shake the ref's hand and say thanks and by the way can you get the club to peg down those nets. I have no interest in the result at all. As I said I was relating a story told to me for general comment on the forum. At no stage did I infer there was any cheating going on. I am surprised that the linesman got involved if his view is as compromised as Sandman claims. As for winning being unimportant for 12 year old girls bit condescending. The "pox" in your game was probably having a ball. |
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Post by nutmeg on Sept 19, 2007 7:20:14 GMT 10
There was a video taken of the goal, which clearly showed it was a goal. The way the girls handled it shows tremendous maturity for people their age.
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Post by Bearinator on Sept 19, 2007 7:21:24 GMT 10
Offtheball & hilly1981, I been playing for more than forty years, missed making the grand final this year from a hand of god inside the box so the pox could get control of the ball. Under 12's mate come on they out there to have fun not to win. Sounds to me winning more important to you than the girls. Most ref's and linie's give their best and without them we would not have 500, 000 registered players, in organised games. Hand off it mate, 11 year old girls ref and linie about 14 or 15 normally, give em a break. Shake the ref's hand and say thanks and by the way can you get the club to peg down those nets. My little sister, who was under 12 Gosford last year, also go knocked out of the finals by a bad decision. Scored from a free kick, ref allowed it, girls celebrate 1-0, other team hangs their heads, teams almost lined up for the kickoff, THEN the ref notices the linesmans flag up. Ref goes over, then changes it to a goal kick. A f***ing GOAL KICK. Other team then score from a blatant offside to win 1-0. To this day, we have no idea what the linesmans decision was, as neither he of the ref said. You try and tell a bunch of crying 12 year olds that you have no idea why the ref made those decisions, but hey, go shake her hand and take the nets down, cos its all about fun, not the games you worked your asses off during the season regular to try and make the grand final  Seriously, what do some of you people base your comments on? Experience? Obviously f***ing not. |
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Post by hilly1981 on Sept 19, 2007 7:29:18 GMT 10
thesandman - OK fair enough but you cannot deny there are no cheating refs/linesman out there.
Any rate when I posted this I had a few beers under my belt so after reading this again I did come across as blanketing every single ref under the sun with my comment so I apologise for this. However there are some MATURE age officials out there that need a long hard look at themselves.
midfielder - Over 40 years playing the game is very impressive. Once again I didnt think my comment through before posting. After seeing what happened with my wifes team in a final last weekend with some rather 'odd' calls going against them, and one incident I witnessed between a discussion with a young linesman and fan after the game really put me off. Bit of unneccessary pressure and influence maybe?!? Hence I was venting through my comments.
In regards to winning, that is something you would have to ask the Gosford team whether winning the game was important to them or not. I dont think age would be the defining factor in determining if they would of cared about losing or not.
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Post by dibo (pron. "DIB-OH") on Sept 19, 2007 8:27:16 GMT 10
bear - sounds like the goal kick was that a free kick for offside given on the edge of the 6yd box.
the flag goes up to indicate offside, then is held out straight (at which point, the signal is identical to that shown for a goalkick).
re: the videoed goal - the ref can't take video evidence, absolutely. if the ball went *through* the net, then the officials clearly hadn't checked the net sufficiently to ensure that that couldn't happen. the field was not yet fit for play.
that said, the referee is the one with the whistle and the one in charge, they can take advice from an AR but are under no obligation to follow it. the AR probably saw the ball go past and said that it clearly can't be a goal, and the ref didn't trust his/her own eyes. the ref should have said 'i saw it, it was a goal'. the AR is also duty bound to indicate when they do not think it's a goal, so technically they did the right thing acting on what they think they saw.
one question - what were the other team doing?
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Post by Bearinator on Sept 19, 2007 9:07:36 GMT 10
Dibo - Offside was impossible, as ever girls on the other team bar 2 were standing on the goal line to try and prevent the goal from the free kick. Flag never went straight out, only straight up.
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Post by beowulf on Sept 19, 2007 10:12:45 GMT 10
It is easy for spectators to guess because, right or wrong, there are no consequences to their guesses.
The referee, on the other hand, must apply certainty to the decision making process. Uncertainty is not enough. So, if the ref didn't think it was a goal, it's not enough to award a goal 'on the balance of probabilities'. The idea that video evidence shows a goal does not help anyone.
These incidents, such as the ball coming out of the back of the net, can happen very quickly. I once saw a ball go in the back of the net and out again through a tiny hole in the net. Neither the ref nor the nearest linesman saw it with their sideways views. It took the far-end linesman to confirm it went in, as he was looking down the 'guts' of the field.
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Post by bakery5 on Sept 19, 2007 11:44:12 GMT 10
Dibo - Offside was impossible, as ever girls on the other team bar 2 were standing on the goal line to try and prevent the goal from the free kick. Flag never went straight out, only straight up. was the ref Omni? ;D |
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Post by Bearinator on Sept 19, 2007 12:53:51 GMT 10
Dibo - Offside was impossible, as ever girls on the other team bar 2 were standing on the goal line to try and prevent the goal from the free kick. Flag never went straight out, only straight up. was the ref Omni? ;D ;D |
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Post by offtheball on Sept 19, 2007 17:04:13 GMT 10
It is easy for spectators to guess because, right or wrong, there are no consequences to their guesses. The referee, on the other hand, must apply certainty to the decision making process. Uncertainty is not enough. So, if the ref didn't think it was a goal, it's not enough to award a goal 'on the balance of probabilities'. The idea that video evidence shows a goal does not help anyone. These incidents, such as the ball coming out of the back of the net, can happen very quickly. I once saw a ball go in the back of the net and out again through a tiny hole in the net. Neither the ref nor the nearest linesman saw it with their sideways views. It took the far-end linesman to confirm it went in, as he was looking down the 'guts' of the field. As mentioned in the original post the ref awarded the goal then second guessed himself when the linesman raised his/her flag. Wonder if it was the same linesman who ruled the ground "fit for play" after inspecting the nets? |
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Post by omni on Sept 20, 2007 20:41:08 GMT 10
I wish, I'm not getting any finals, got to get some more experience first. Of course the refs aren't top flight just like the kids aren't and they aren't perfect, I'm confused as to what actually happened so I'm not putting much in it. In my experience junior girls seem to be much more mature than the men who cry over everything. |
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Seriously, what do some of you people base your comments on? Experience? Obviously f***ing not.
