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Post by Bearinator on Sept 27, 2005 22:36:56 GMT 10
OH MY GOD!!!
I was just reading the West Ham United web site, And in England they r trying 2 ban ALL FANS FROM STANDING AT ANY TIME.
Its been happening for 2 seasons now.
If fans consistently stand at games, the club gets punished buy having there capacity reduced at there home games, and seat allocations at away games is also reduced.
And we all thought swearing was the issue.
Can any1 else believe this, cos I am bloody shocked.
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Post by sacko on Sept 27, 2005 22:46:15 GMT 10
It's been a issue for a while now, in particular the Bobby Moore Lower. The local council have threaten to close sections of the ground down and away tickets were limited at a few grounds last season. So although the security at CCS are not a polished as SFS they aren't as bad as UP, also you can't watch the footy with a beer anywhere in the UK  |
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Post by chelseagirl on Sept 28, 2005 13:45:38 GMT 10
It truly is a sad world bearinator  OH&S issues,sueing councils and large companies etc etc have made it tough for those who are responsible for safety issues in large venues. |
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Post by omni on Sept 28, 2005 16:44:44 GMT 10
I'll never complin about the swearing ever again.
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Post by DJ on Sept 28, 2005 20:20:43 GMT 10
Yeah it's all a load of legal shit now!
Everything started to change after Hillsborough!
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Post by Grunta on Sept 28, 2005 21:05:28 GMT 10
www.standupsitdown.co.uk/has been happening for a while in England. i saw in the roar forum (via Pint Culture) they had a similar problem although for different reasons
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Post by marinermick on Sept 29, 2005 9:28:45 GMT 10
try reading the roar forum and look at the problems their supporters are having standing up
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Post by sacko on Sept 29, 2005 20:23:04 GMT 10
Yeah it's all a load of legal shit now! Everything started to change after Hillsborough! Some things needed to changed, the new stadiums in the Premiership are some of the best in the world, but there should still be some standing room available, a big part of the problem at Hillsboro was the fences caging people in both into 3 pens across as well and one at the front. We these gone, surely there is a way to install some safe terracing. |
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Post by DJ on Sept 29, 2005 20:31:04 GMT 10
Yeah it's all a load of legal shit now! Everything started to change after Hillsborough! Some things needed to changed, the new stadiums in the Premiership are some of the best in the world, but there should still be some standing room available, a big part of the problem at Hillsboro was the fences caging people in both into 3 pens across as well and one at the front. We these gone, surely there is a way to install some safe terracing. Agreed - that caging was shocking |
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Post by brett on Sept 29, 2005 20:54:19 GMT 10
try reading the roar forum and look at the problems their supporters are having standing up They seem to have sorted this out with the club and have been allocated reserved standing space for vocal supporters. We better look at sorting something out with them for the few that are travelling up next Friday to make sure we'll be alright wherever we try stand. Are you going up Mick? Let me know if you're not so I can post up there. |
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Post by marinermick on Oct 2, 2005 15:13:17 GMT 10
try reading the roar forum and look at the problems their supporters are having standing up They seem to have sorted this out with the club and have been allocated reserved standing space for vocal supporters. We better look at sorting something out with them for the few that are travelling up next Friday to make sure we'll be alright wherever we try stand. Are you going up Mick? Let me know if you're not so I can post up there. waiting for a sponsorship deal to come through this week otherwise i won't be going |
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Post by Dan on Oct 3, 2005 10:11:46 GMT 10
Some things needed to changed, the new stadiums in the Premiership are some of the best in the world, but there should still be some standing room available, a big part of the problem at Hillsboro was the fences caging people in both into 3 pens across as well and one at the front. We these gone, surely there is a way to install some safe terracing. At the time of Hilsborough cages were available that hinged open in 3 or 4 sections along the entire length of the touchline, ensuring a quick,viable and safe way to relieve overcrowding. Many European stadia still use this system today. The Taylor Report rejected this option and ruled that no terracing be allowed whatsoever. In these days of Health and Safety being paramount i think there is little chance of change. When david burrows scored after 30secs in the merseyside derby i lost a pair of my brand new shoes due to 16,000 fans surging down behind me. Scary but exciting. Would love to see it return but not hopeful Kicking up a stink about fans standing up is just ridiculous though. First ive heard of it. |
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Post by brett on Oct 3, 2005 10:36:21 GMT 10
Hey RV, why would the kop even want to stand and cheer when their team gets beat 4-1 at home? Ahhhh they must be used to it ;D
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Post by ryan on Oct 3, 2005 13:17:24 GMT 10
Hey WT that's uncalled for. I thought it was beautiful to hear 'You'll Never Walk Alone' sung at the end. What other English club would have that support in those circumstances.
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Post by omni on Oct 3, 2005 14:05:09 GMT 10
Umm Leeds United when they got relegated perhaps? No shame in getting Hammered by Chelski - who I don't really like either - but I don't like Red Vedder  (did you tip 2:1 on Friday night) |
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Post by dibo (pron. "DIB-OH") on Oct 3, 2005 17:15:59 GMT 10
back on topic...
standing should be allowed in areas like bay 16 where;
- there are fold-up seats
- there are roughly only as many people in there as would be seated otherwise
- people aren't standing on seats
- other patrons' views aren't obscured
i think there should simply be a commonsense and tolerant relationship between standing and non-standing fans, the clubs and the stadiums' managements.
people who want to stand should be able to, at the back of designated bays and there should be certain non-intrusive controls in place to ensure that there is no overcrowding.
the rows of seats prevent stampedes (which are crazy and dangerous- watch some footage of games in sth american stadia like boja juniors' ground 'la bombonera'- that's f***ing mental), so that is covered, then it's just a matter of ensuring there are common courtesies followed.
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Post by omni on Oct 3, 2005 20:55:33 GMT 10
Didn't see you sitting at the SFS - that doesn't meet the criteria.
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Post by Perm on Oct 3, 2005 22:01:02 GMT 10
seats arent in place to stop crowd surges or "stampeding"
watch any melbourne game and you will notice behind both goals that there is no standing but steps with rails about a metre high used to lean on and essential placed to stop large crowd surges.
so many games i have been to so far and i have just been craving to stand on the seat. it does make alot of room but damages/wrecks them.
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Post by Yellowbeard on Oct 4, 2005 19:13:29 GMT 10
Perm boy, if you and I got on the seats on friday, I would have fallen over and squashed you like a bug. That's why you shouldnt stand on seats  |
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Post by streeterpingfellow on Oct 5, 2005 5:11:13 GMT 10
I prefer to sit down to be honest but i know some people who prefer to stand but it does annoy me at games when the person in front decides to stand up. People have talked about having special standing places like they do in Germany but i can't see it happening over here in England
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OH&S issues,sueing councils and large companies etc etc have made it tough for those who are responsible for safety issues in large venues.
(did you tip 2:1 on Friday night)
