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Post by SIMON OUFC35 on May 20, 2006 12:24:57 GMT 10
what the hell was that ref playing at when he sent of the arse goalie?   i taped the game and are just watching it now - 25mins into the first 1/2. it's looking like a sensational game and then that happens. way to spoil a spectacle. no one should ever be sent of within the first 15 mins of a game- it just spoils it. IT WAS REMINISCENT OF MEGGSY GETTING SENT OFF AGAINST SYDNEY THAT FAITHFULL DAY - i am a very peacefull and calm dude but on that day at that moment i understood how fans can create riots! |
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Post by Farthing on May 20, 2006 19:15:28 GMT 10
Yea i agree the ref should have played advantage, allowed the goal and only give Lehaman a yellow.
But this ref fair enough sent the keeper off when it was a last line of defence challenge didnt get the ball and took the player out in a direct goal scoring position and that is an instant red card. But in saying that i understand why he sent him off but come on hasnt this ref heard of advantage, they scored the bloody goal.
But in saying that nobody should get sent in the first 15 minutes, you cant just not send anyone off in the first 15 minutes because it ruins the game, the ref has to be fair. Like if it was say the 10th minute and one guy punches another guy are you only going to caution the player who threw the punch because it was in the first 15 minutes and it would ruin the game.
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Post by Bearinator on May 20, 2006 19:26:04 GMT 10
what the hell was that ref playing at when he sent of the arse goalie? i taped the game and are just watching it now - 25mins into the first 1/2. it's looking like a sensational game and then that happens. way to spoil a spectacle. no one should ever be sent of within the first 15 mins of a game- it just spoils it. IT WAS REMINISCENT OF MEGGSY GETTING SENT OFF AGAINST SYDNEY THAT FAITHFULL DAY - i am a very peacefull and calm dude but on that day at that moment i understood how fans can create riots! Thats just shit. Did you actually watch it, really??? Lehmann grabbed the guys ankle, deliberately to stop him from scoring, when he was the last line of defense. Straight red, no matter what game it is. Fair is fair. Cant get any fairer than that. |
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Post by Farthing on May 20, 2006 19:29:47 GMT 10
what the hell was that ref playing at when he sent of the arse goalie? i taped the game and are just watching it now - 25mins into the first 1/2. it's looking like a sensational game and then that happens. way to spoil a spectacle. no one should ever be sent of within the first 15 mins of a game- it just spoils it. IT WAS REMINISCENT OF MEGGSY GETTING SENT OFF AGAINST SYDNEY THAT FAITHFULL DAY - i am a very peacefull and calm dude but on that day at that moment i understood how fans can create riots! Thats just shit. Did you actually watch it, really??? Lehmann grabbed the guys ankle, deliberately to stop him from scoring, when he was the last line of defense. Straight red, no matter what game it is. Fair is fair. Cant get any fairer than that. Bear yep i agree with you fully, it was a stright red, it is understandable why he sent him, i just think he should have played advantage, but then agian the player who scored could have been offside. |
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Post by dibo (pron. "DIB-OH") on May 20, 2006 19:30:59 GMT 10
all depends on when the whistle went - if the ref held off (to permit the goalscoring opportunity to develop which, it did, and resulted in a goal) then it's certainly arguable that the goalscoring opportunity was not denied and therefore the red card is not justified, but if the whistle blew early then the 'goal' came after the whistle, and could not be allowed whether the ref wanted to or not.
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Post by omni on May 20, 2006 20:01:25 GMT 10
There has been talk that the player who 'scored' was offside and thus, no advantage, I don't know if that's so but Lehmann deserved to see red.
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Post by voice of reason on May 20, 2006 21:37:14 GMT 10
this was also discussed on the European Cup Final thread.
My belief is that, if the referee had seen and allowed the advantage (the goal) he would not have needed to send Lehmann because a goal would not have been denied the opposition. He simply blew his whistle too early. After that his actions were in line with the laws of the game. I understand he has since admitted he blew the whistle too early.
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Post by Bearinator on May 20, 2006 22:26:54 GMT 10
I dont know about any of you people, but id consider it a bigger "advantage" to play 70 minutes of football against a 10 man Arsenal with no Lehmann in goal rather than take a 1-0 lead after 20 minutes. But thats just me.
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Post by SIMON OUFC35 on May 21, 2006 8:19:56 GMT 10
i just finished watching the 2nd half.
an outstanding game still nonetheless!
arsenal did well to keep it going that long.
on watching the replay over and over again of the Lehmann send off - it really depends on the angle you look at.
1) from the front angle it really does look like he grabs at the ankle.
2) from the side angles and behind it looks like he is just sliding in and his hand was just following momentum.
any how yeah rules are rules - but i reckon the ref blew too early. understandably i'm sure they get nervous at these big games as well and are bound to make mistakes as do the players.
i just reckon refs should attempt to be a little forgiving so early in the game when it comes to the red. when it is blatant like something dangerous or overly aggressive they should flash it straight away.
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Post by sideshow on May 21, 2006 12:08:56 GMT 10
i think it should have been 1-0 and probably red for off the ball incident. but i have to agree with some of the earlier posts, the ref ruined a good spectacle and it is appropriate that he came to the media on friday and apoligised for what he did, saying he should have made it a yellow and advantage 1-0 barce. because, barce got nothing out of it as far as goals go and ended up going down as a result of it. I just think what henry said was right. the best team didnt win because we dont know who the best team was. we knew who the best was when it was 10 against 11, but weren't able to see a good game because the ref denied it being a classic. It was set up to be a classic. 1-0 after 20 mins, anything was bound to happen. i think arsenal could have won it with 11 men on the park. they simply got buggered coz barce had an extra man and so they conceded late and then the momentum was with barce. taking nothing away from barce, they did play well, especially larsson when he came on, but the ref really is to blame for it. anyway, thats the way it goes, heat of the moment.........
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Post by brett on May 21, 2006 16:11:53 GMT 10
Like I said in the other thread:
First and foremost, advantage should have been played. The goal was legal in these circumstances and should have stood.
THEN you go and look at what has happened. Lehmann grabbed a guy's ankle, and it was unsportsmanlike. He DIDN'T deny a goalscoring opportunity because a goal was scored. Therefore a yellow card would have been fair.
I believe that would be the correct result following the passage of play to the letter of the law.
If you remove it and look at it by itself, of course what Jens did was red card worthy. But in the circumstances of what happened around it, ie the goal being scored anyway, he should have got away with it. He would have been 'lucky' but it would have been within the rules and given everyone the result they wanted.
definitely a grey area!
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