Singo wants rugby on the Coast

[marinermick]

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great news for the coast if it happens

obviously the games will be played at different times of the year and perhaps there can be synergies with the mariners, especially as singo is involved

[kevrenor]

marinermick said:

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great news for the coast if it happens

obviously the games will be played at different times of the year and perhaps there can be synergies with the mariners, especially as singo is involved

Sorry, I don't share your enthusiasm Mick.

I concede possible benefits eg. viability of the stadium, hiring costs reduction (as if!)

But being a football man through and through I can only say - f*** of you rugger buggers!

[marinermick]

kevrenor said:

marinermick said:

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great news for the coast if it happens

obviously the games will be played at different times of the year and perhaps there can be synergies with the mariners, especially as singo is involved

Sorry, I don't share your enthusiasm Mick.

I concede possible benefits eg. viability of the stadium, hiring costs reduction (as if!)

But being a football man through and through I can only say - f*** of you rugger buggers!

I was thinking more for the Central Coast rather than Football.

It was also mean another nail in the rugby league coffin of the Coast.

[DJ]

I'm the same - not keen on a rugby team. I personally wouldn't go and watch it.

[kevrenor]

marinermick said:

kevrenor said:

Sorry, I don't share your enthusiasm Mick.

I concede possible benefits eg. viability of the stadium, hiring costs reduction (as if!)

But being a football man through and through I can only say - f*** of you rugger buggers!

I was thinking more for the Central Coast rather than Football.

It was also mean another nail in the rugby league coffin of the Coast.

Perhaps - some income generation I suppose.

I must agree though that the rugger buggers are one step on the evolutionary tree above the thugby leaguers - less primordial ooze!

[dibo (pron. "DIB-OH")]

i don't feel particularly threatened by it as a sport quality thing - the quality of the super 12 leaves a lot to be desired sometimes so the new club competition may be a bit awful too... the a-league is well marketed and well covered by media at this point and it's in off-peak time for the other codes.

what does concern me is a little thought (probably in my head alone) that singo's been kinda using us simply to piss off the nrl, and if the nrl go and drop a team in here then we'll be pissed off faster than a pube on a toilet bowl, ya dig?

so we're kinda the advance force - showing the country that the coast has a sporting market to be tapped - to be superseded by bigger flashier things.

now the football itself won't suffer. we've got a great junior base and so on and i don't see that changing significantly. we could always tap that reasonably well as long as the results on the park are ok.

what does concern me is the competition for already limited corporate $$$.

we don't get no blinga we don't see no ginga, in a way.

[dibo (pron. "DIB-OH")]

kevrenor said:

I must agree though that the rugger buggers are one step on the evolutionary tree above the thugby leaguers - less primordial ooze!

nah, just better lawyers. they were all born with silver spoons up their noses.

i reckon the average nrl player you could probably sit and have a normal chat with (sufficiently slowly and monosyllabically of course) while the rugger buggers would be indulging in the sort of weird sexual perversions that only the highest class of private school education can buy.

[marinermick]

dibo said:

kevrenor said:

I must agree though that the rugger buggers are one step on the evolutionary tree above the thugby leaguers - less primordial ooze!

nah, just better lawyers. they were all born with silver spoons up their noses.

i reckon the average nrl player you could probably sit and have a normal chat with (sufficiently slowly and monosyllabically of course) while the rugger buggers would be indulging in the sort of weird sexual perversions that only the highest class of private school education can buy.

We see many of the north shore private schoolers come through our campus because they didn't get the marks to get into Sydney or Macquarie and I must they are an unusual breed.

Outwardly confident but very insecure at the same time. Many conundrums about them.

[dibo (pron. "DIB-OH")]

marinermick said:

Many conundrums about them.

ah, surely you mean conundra?


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[honey soy]

dibo said:

marinermick said:

Many conundrums about them.

ah, surely you mean conundra?

I bet you're a gun at Wordracer!

[dibo (pron. "DIB-OH")]

thetis said:

I bet you're a gun at Wordracer!

no, i was just very lonely as a child...


;D

[brett]

First and foremost, we can't underestimate the number of Mariners fans that are Central Coast supporters and not football supporters.

Give them any major alternative and our crowds WILL go down in numbers, and the one-team one-town flavour of the back end of the first HAL season will go bye bye.

[Bearinator]

wyomingtiger said:

First and foremost, we can't underestimate the number of Mariners fans that are Central Coast supporters and not football supporters.

Give them any major alternative and our crowds WILL go down in numbers, and the one-team one-town flavour of the back end of the first HAL season will go bye bye.

100% true. 1 local team in any code = good. 2 local teams in 2 different codes = bad news for the mariners.

[marinermick]

I really don't think so.

They play at different times of the year and can piggy-back off each other promotionally.

[dibo (pron. "DIB-OH")]

now i've taken a few deep breaths, done a couple of other things, displayed my nerdiness to all etc. it's time to look at this comp properly.

3 teams. there are currently 12 in the premier club rugby comp:
manly
warringah
norths
gordon
eastwood
parramatta
penrith
west harbour
sydney uni (booo! they take all of SU Sport's money, eat up our fields, and give ludicrous scholarships to the sons of merchant bankers)
easts
randwick
southern districts

you could kinda split them up into three groups around grounds -

souths, easts, randwick and uni feeding into a southern sydney team playing out of aussie stadium

manly, warringah, norths and gordon feeding into a northern sydney team playing out of north sydney oval

parramatta, eastwood, west harbour and penrith feeding into a western sydney team playing out of parramatta stadium.

this, i think, is the most logical way of getting geographically logical feeds into clubs where there is an existing fan base and/or major potential to grow and have them playing out of grounds that have good access to major transport infrastructure.

the central coast is too far away from existing top clubs and existing support, i just can't see how it would be feasible enough to compete with the 3 teams in sydney idea.

[marinermick]

dibo said:

sydney uni (booo! they take all of SU Sport's money, eat up our fields, and give ludicrous scholarships to the sons of merchant bankers)

to be fair this money is given back to SUS (hehe) ten fold in rugby alumni giving back to Sydney Uni and through the commercial aspects of publicity

i used to think that sydney uni rugby was a pariah to sydney university students but after being explained the whole process by their general manager and the benefits they bring both financially and in terms of profile to the uni i honestly believe the positives outweigh the negatives

[marinermick]

auburnmariner might have a perspective as well

[Auburn Mariner]

Thanks Mick, I do actually.

Having worked at Sydney Uni, I think SUS does great things. There's often a question of why they have so many elite scholarships, but the benefits through alumni are massive. Sydney Uni has unquestionably the strongest Alumni system in Australia. Having teams in Rugby, Women's Basketball and many other sports gives the whole University a great profile.

Off the top of my large, ugly bald head, current scholars include:

Phil Waugh, David Lyons, Ian Thorpe, Stuart MacGill, Greg Mail, Brendan Cannon, Gareth Hardy, most of the Flames.

Just a sobering thought; we had a bloke here at UTS talk to us recently. He is from the University of Arizona. In two years, yes 24 months, they raised 1 billion US dollars from Alumni to upgrade facilities. That's how powerful they can be.

I do not agree with my learned colleague Dibo on this occasion; Sydney Uni Sports does great things for the University of Sydney. And for the record, I think that the APC should include one of Sydney Uni or Randwick. Won't happen, but that's my two cents worth.

[dibo (pron. "DIB-OH")]

if SUSport were a truly democratic organisation (i.e. elections advertised widely and with decent turnout instead of being after rugby training) it would be run very differently with a far greater focus on grassroots sport rather than on flagship things like the rugger buggers.

if the elite sport is beneficial to regular members then the benefits are not made at all clear.

wow, we've gone WAAAAY off topic now.

[dibo (pron. "DIB-OH")]

auburnmariner said:

Just a sobering thought; we had a bloke here at UTS talk to us recently. He is from the University of Arizona. In two years, yes 24 months, they raised 1 billion US dollars from Alumni to upgrade facilities. That's how powerful they can be.

last week i got sent an envelope inviting me, as a SUS life member and alumnus of USyd to donate to SUS so they can build things like a turf hockey pitch, changerooms for st. johns oval, another pavillion/grandstand thing for no.2 oval and a couple of other things, and i'm sure they're going to make a bucket out of it.

my beef though is that it's bloody expensive to play for SUSFC - i paid something like $350 (non-student non-life members pay another $50 or so more than that again) this year compared to $80/$155 (student/non student) for the rugby league club (just as an example - a lot of other clubs don't seem to put any info up at all). we get screwed royally, and don't seem to see an awful lot in return.