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Post by Ursus on Jan 22, 2007 13:25:56 GMT 10
Just something I've noticed.
Those that are putting in the most complaints and whinges about Kwassy, and getting value for their money, and about lack of effort seem to be, in the most part unknowns.
They are not the people who respond to calls for help in setting up the fans day, or who organise buses, or golf days, or wine tours, or raffles, or Christmas parades, or banners, or even pub crawls up Foveaux St or even making themselves known in the Kendall before a game.
Should I afford them any less respect than the others who I know, who put in, and know something about football?
Is there a correlation or am I just being picky about those who demand everything yet give nothing?
Maybe you could say this post is playing the man and not the ball. I could not help noticing.
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Post by keensy on Jan 22, 2007 13:27:26 GMT 10
The one thing i have noticed is the majority of the negative posts have come from people with low post counts and who's posts have been nothing but negative.
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Post by tez on Jan 22, 2007 13:33:28 GMT 10
iv noticed that. and i also noticed poeple are only complain about 1 player even tho most of the team didnt play well. i hear no mention of the other players who didnt even try.
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Post by serious14 on Jan 22, 2007 14:13:29 GMT 10
So someone is less of a fan OF THE CLUB AND THE TEAM because they're not actively involved in the forum or the Marinators in general?? Come on Ursus, that's a bit of a stretch innit?? There are knowledgable football types out there who don't sit in the North End, and who I believe are perfectly entitled to their opinion about Kwasnik, our midfield, our striker situation, and many other things. Besides, we have season pass holders on the sideline too.  P.S. Lawrie himself said it was the worst performance in our history. Surely his word carries _some_ sway around here?? |
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Post by dibo (pron. "DIB-OH") on Jan 22, 2007 14:28:27 GMT 10
So someone is less of a fan OF THE CLUB AND THE TEAM because they're not actively involved in the forum or the Marinators in general?? Come on Ursus, that's a bit of a stretch innit?? There are knowledgable football types out there who don't sit in the North End, and who I believe are perfectly entitled to their opinion about Kwasnik, our midfield, our striker situation, and many other things. Besides, we have season pass holders on the sideline too. P.S. Lawrie himself said it was the worst performance in our history. Surely his word carries _some_ sway around here?? perhaps ursus's point is that people who've been around, are known, put their hands up for things etc. are more credible than people who *appear* magically after a loss and post a handful of extremely negative posts and then are never seen again. i think that there should be some sort of credibility that comes from being around a while and being known. not necessarily respect - you still have to earn that, but to make yourself known and be aware that someone can tee off on you if they want means that our honest opinions need to be backed up. this contrasts with the anonymous keyboard heroes who arrive from the clouds to profess their wisdom and disappear to wherever they came from. this isn't anti n00b, it's just anti the web warriors whose faces are never seen and whose commitment is therefore untested and unverified. let's just say i don't make a 150km round trip, sing my guts out and do whatever i can to make some noise and support the lads to be told that i'm happy to accept mediocrity by someone who for all i know has only ever watched one game. i'll take it from people like yourself - i know you, you've been around, and i can't question your cred either, and you and i can have a chat in the pub any time about what's been good/bad/indifferent. we don't always agree, but that's fine. i at least know your views are founded on following the team through thick and thin rather than mindless trolling. |
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Post by Rowdy on Jan 22, 2007 14:35:16 GMT 10
let's just say i don't make a 150km round trip, sing my guts out and do whatever i can to make some noise and support the lads to be told that i'm happy to accept mediocrity by someone who for all i know has only ever watched one game. And that was on FOX ! I've noticed on here that especially after games you see what time some of the posts are made and it's evident that the Ref's final whistle blew 30 seconds before they posted.  |
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Post by Ursus on Jan 22, 2007 14:41:08 GMT 10
Not suggesting anyone is less of a fan just making the correlation. I also no longer sit at the north end, no complaints there. I also agree it was a terrible, weak hearted, inept performance. I think players performances should be discussed fully and they should be criticised. I have described Kwassy as being pedestrian in the past and probably not what we are looking for. This year his performances have led me to believe he is worth persisting with and rather than being a doubter I have become a fan, probably more than is justified because of all the unreasonable shit he has been copping. I have no problem discussing those sort of issues here. I do not like seeing any player copping shit from his own fans. Criticism yes, shit no. This post came about after Mick saying that everyone whose opinion he valued thought Kwassy was ok. (i think that was away from this forum). The correlation I noticed was that everyone in the fan base I know agrees. They are the people who seem to be putting in the work so being in a very snarky mood I thought I would point that out. Just lashing out and stirring shit. ;D I think we all need to let off some frustration after yesterday, I would rather not see it done at individual players expense. Yesterday was a team effort and I think about a dozen of our players should share the blame. Disgraceful performance. I still trust our management team to carry out the necessary executions. |
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Post by Jeff (LouMacari) on Jan 22, 2007 16:41:24 GMT 10
Absolute top post Dibo, I couldn't agree more. Ursus makes a good point regarding the low number of posts of some noobs, sure they are entitled to their opinion, no argument there, but being entitled to an oppinion an being able to post on here doesn't make you 'credible'. Not to me anyway, that too has to be earned.
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Post by bj on Jan 22, 2007 17:08:46 GMT 10
I don't post on here as often as other forums because there are less threads that grab my interest. The only time I don't go to Mariners games is when I'm interstate and can't make it there.
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Post by newky on Jan 22, 2007 19:09:33 GMT 10
The one thing i have noticed is the majority of the negative posts have come from people with low post counts and who's posts have been nothing but negative. wat a load of rubbish someones post count on the forum doesnt mean jack ever thought of someones lack of access to the internet or mayb a computer?? they could be just as much a fan of the mariners as anyone else and chose not to read the forum...or only post in those threads which mean something to them...or mayb they have been at every mariners game and only just found out about the forum? everyone is entitled to their opinion and no opinion should be disregarded simply due to a lack of forum posts.. |
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Post by Jeff (LouMacari) on Jan 22, 2007 19:31:05 GMT 10
The one thing i have noticed is the majority of the negative posts have come from people with low post counts and who's posts have been nothing but negative. wat a load of rubbish someones post count on the forum doesnt mean jack ever thought of someones lack of access to the internet or mayb a computer?? they could be just as much a fan of the mariners as anyone else and chose not to read the forum...or only post in those threads which mean something to them...or mayb they have been at every mariners game and only just found out about the forum? everyone is entitled to their opinion and no opinion should be disregarded simply due to a lack of forum posts.. I will 'disregard' (your word not mine) any bloody post I please! Don't tell me what I should and shouldn't regard! As I said before, everyone IS entitled to an opinion, but that doesn't give them 'cred'. |
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Post by newky on Jan 22, 2007 19:48:49 GMT 10
wat a load of rubbish someones post count on the forum doesnt mean jack ever thought of someones lack of access to the internet or mayb a computer?? they could be just as much a fan of the mariners as anyone else and chose not to read the forum...or only post in those threads which mean something to them...or mayb they have been at every mariners game and only just found out about the forum? everyone is entitled to their opinion and no opinion should be disregarded simply due to a lack of forum posts.. I will 'disregard' (your word not mine) any bloody post I please! Don't tell me what I should and shouldn't regard! As I said before, everyone IS entitled to an opinion, but that doesn't give them 'cred'. yea my bad you can disregard any post you please just saying a persons opinion 'shouldnt' be disregarded simply due to a lack of posts.. |
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Post by keensy on Jan 22, 2007 20:53:37 GMT 10
I never said because they had a small post count that their posts should be disregarded. i said.... "the majority of the negative posts have come from people with low post counts and who's posts have been nothing but negative." p.s you're a wanker brad |
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Post by newky on Jan 22, 2007 20:59:47 GMT 10
im a wanker
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Post by marinermick on Jan 23, 2007 7:53:56 GMT 10
just remember that this a mariners fan forum not a marinators forum, though there is a section for marinators related stuff
post count has nothing to do with opinion or credibility but what i think ursus was trying to say is that when people come on the forum, be negative and no one knows them, it is going to harbour some sort of suspicion
it is human nature to be wary of strangers
as post counts increase people so does familiarity, hence negating that suspicion
so, there is no correlation between post counts and knowledge, just a correlation between post count and wariness
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Post by Foriegnmariner on Jan 23, 2007 9:16:21 GMT 10
Exactly what i did for the first 20 or so posts was just hang round the "Other Stuff" and "Aussie Football" ares and just add my MoM views and be careful with what i would say in a topic like "Sack Kwasnik" for example.
it just helps to get that "n00b troll 14 yr old with no knowledge" kinda preception out of the way.
Now i've been on here for about 2 months and havent been called a troll or a scum or someone with no idea and should f**k off and my post count is going gradually up.
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Post by marinermick on Jan 23, 2007 9:20:05 GMT 10
It also helps to give an introduction of yourself in the welcome section
breaks the ice
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Post by Ursus on Jan 23, 2007 9:22:21 GMT 10
I actually never mentioned post counts.
It is more to do with how Dibo summed it up. They come out of nowhere, known to no one, are completely negative, totally biased, poorly informed, persistant and hide in their anonymity.
The reason I respond is because I see them as being more destructive than trolls both to the moral of the team and the supporters.
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Post by ~Floss~ on Jan 23, 2007 20:49:37 GMT 10
Exactly what i did for the first 20 or so posts was just hang round the "Other Stuff" and "Aussie Football" ares and just add my MoM views and be careful with what i would say in a topic like "Sack Kwasnik" for example. it just helps to get that "n00b troll 14 yr old with no knowledge" kinda preception out of the way. Now i've been on here for about 2 months and havent been called a troll or a scum or someone with no idea and should f**k off and my post count is going gradually up. As a newcomer I agree with for the most part. Myself i wasn't so concerned that i adopted the strategy of accumulating a post count and letting my membership mature before becoming involved - i had a few quick reading sessions in the past, but signed up as soon as something enraged me enough to warrant a reply. However, I am aware of the stigma of being a newcomer, and agree that it is a good idea to be careful what you say. (i am still learning though) On the other hand, if you're going to say something everyone agrees with, it's probably not much of a contribution to a forum. I think if someone's post count is low and their membership is new, you can see if they're trying to build trust by what they post - generally it's positive and not treading on anyone's toes. It's the new members who start negative threads or post offensive remarks who are either trolls or cowards (too ashamed to post under their recognisible name)... or idiots getting a laugh out of firing people up. |
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Post by Rowdy on Jan 23, 2007 21:50:40 GMT 10
On the other hand, if you're going to say something everyone agrees with, it's probably not much of a contribution to a forum. I think one of the most abhorred things on this forum and bogging it down. Sack Kwassie is a perfect e.g They may as well post: "Yeah Me to." Me3, Me4, Me5............and be done with it, the word "ditto" would even suffice.  mod:most,the word |
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