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Post by Adz on Oct 4, 2005 20:47:58 GMT 10
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Post by geordieglory on Oct 4, 2005 22:28:27 GMT 10
In the North-East of England where I come from, we have one thing to say about Racism. GIVE RACISM THE RED CARD!!!
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Post by MsCanada on Oct 4, 2005 22:49:22 GMT 10
i think people have to bear in mind (and note to those reading- i am a CHICK), sports are mainly dominated by guys... sorry but fact of life. Bearing in mind guys at sport only have a couple things running through their heads (game, grog and girls) i think you have to take the "tits out" comments and roll with them....
pick your battles people... PC is starting to become ridiculous. Whilst I support it in some ways, in others it's making people overly sensitive. If it were me do I take offense to chinese, dutch, canadian, aussie, immigrant, boat person or female football player=lesbian comments???
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Post by striker9 on Oct 5, 2005 9:17:30 GMT 10
....... PC is starting to become ridiculous. Whilst I support it in some ways, in others it's making people overly sensitive. I think the comment about PC is so right..... I know the administrator of this Forum doesn't like my avatars, but I like my chickie babe football players... it not demeaning to females at all in my opinion....... as for the marinator chants.. the guys have to be more sensitive to females especially...... it's counterproductive to humiliate your fellow supporter of the club!
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Post by Jimmydinho on Oct 5, 2005 18:15:25 GMT 10
i'd have to agree with dibo on the whole tits out for the boys chant. itd probly be ok if we used it once a match or something. id have to say, no sexism and no racism. but if a guy isnt gay, and everyone knows he is. then its alright to say he takes it up the poo. im sure overtime the songs will change, they will come and go depending on how we feel about them at the time. for now, id have to say most people are comfortable with most of our songs, and they will stay the same until the majority of us feel uncomfortable with them. but again, i do feel that we tend to push people away with the swearing and sexism. just my thought.
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Post by Auburn Mariner on Oct 5, 2005 18:35:26 GMT 10
Ursus,
I have a lot of respect for what you say about most things (Club Macq excluded!!!). Whilst I'm not bothered about most chants, racism excluded, can I ask your Spirit experience? What happened there?
From sharing a train with Dibo, I can assure you he is fair dinkum, not afraid of voicing his opinion and most sincere in his beliefs (you can't do his job by being a wuss!). Tits out for the boys is not a problem for me at all (because I have bigger boobs than most of the girls!!), but each to their own.
I will not be part of making rules (that's not my place), but for my part, I don't sing if I don't like the chant, and I reckon the wave is a last resort.
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Post by offtheball on Oct 6, 2005 8:52:18 GMT 10
Glad Galea and Heighington (Central Coast Boy) from the Tigers decided caution was the better part of valour and didn't call for "tits out for the boys!" After the tigers victory on Sunday night.
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Post by Ursus on Oct 6, 2005 9:02:09 GMT 10
Before I start others on this forum are more experienced to talk about times with Spirit than I, however....
I started following Spirit in Arnie's final year and it wasn't until halfway through Hickman's season (what a disaster) that I found the Mac Terrace. Prior to that I had been warned to keep away (by someone who shall remain nameless), because they were a bunch of drunken pommy hooligans and you would likely end up in a blue.
When I finally tried the Terrace I felt immediately at home (as did number one son, then aged about 14), and so began the destruction of my vocal chords.
As a gross generalisation the Terrace was made up of very experienced football supporters mostly from Britain. The teenagers tended to end up in the Bob Stand and it appeared to me that making continuous noise and having a good time was more important than the game.
The main thing that impressed me in the Terrace was that what was happening on the pitch was what was impotant. The game was watched intently and passionately. The singing and chanting was not continuous but used judiciously building throughout the game and in my view exceedingly effective. You do not have to sing continuously to support the team effectively, in fact it can be counterproductive.
The songs were tight, witty and incissive and were used appropriately. There were songs and chants for every happening.
Now the hard bit, from memory (what little remaining), there were lots of F..s in the songs but they sounded appropriate not offensive. "Tits out for the lads (not boys)" was used occassionally when the situation warranted it and was generally directed at a passer by rather than someone on the Terrace. Racism was out.
Generally I did not find much there too offensive (with the possible exception of the Grandma verse in "In your Newcastle slums".
I was not a Mac Listee and did not make Percy's that often due to having a couple of 14 year olds in tow who I did not worry about being on the Terrace. Mother Bear even came along to a couple of games.
These are just my impressions Sacko was a real Mac, ask him.
Having said that we are not Spirit supporters we are Marinators and will evolve our own way of doing things. There are things we can take from past teams and things we know to avoid through past experience, but we cannot force any of them and will learn from our own mistakes and experiences what works for us.
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Post by striker9 on Oct 6, 2005 9:17:50 GMT 10
I agree with what you said. the difference I see is that Macterrace had leader (Mr Voice) who somewhat controlled the atmosphere, called the chants at the right time etc.......
Whilst the marinators are of a slightly different temperament, a leader of the group wouldn't go astray! Can only improve the coordination of support!.
..........and bring on the the Grandma verse in "In your Newcastle slums" for Octorber 23!
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Post by Auburn Mariner on Oct 6, 2005 11:34:24 GMT 10
Thanks Ursus, I appreciate your comments. I'd love to hear the Grandma verse at some stage.
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Post by blackadder on Oct 6, 2005 12:12:15 GMT 10
i'd have to agree with dibo on the whole tits out for the boys chant. itd probly be ok if we used it once a match or something. id have to say, no sexism and no racism. but if a guy isnt gay, and everyone knows he is. then its alright to say he takes it up the poo. im sure overtime the songs will change, they will come and go depending on how we feel about them at the time. for now, id have to say most people are comfortable with most of our songs, and they will stay the same until the majority of us feel uncomfortable with them. but again, i do feel that we tend to push people away with the swearing and sexism. just my thought. Your feelings are spot on about people being pushed away, happend to the people next to me during the Melbourne match. Personally I am not going to be singing "Tits out for the boys", "or get into them, f*ck them up" but if others feel they have to sing them that is there choice. Like it or not the majority of supporters at games at Stade des Marins are not your typical singing football fan, and so will not take to certain "songs" something I feel that needs to be kept in mind
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Post by oor on Oct 6, 2005 18:14:50 GMT 10
start handing out earplugs at the gates.I cant believe this is such a big deal to some people .It`s a football match for god sake.
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Post by blackadder on Oct 6, 2005 18:45:18 GMT 10
Yes it is a football match but put it simply the majority of people at CC stadium, are not the type of people you will find singing on the terraces, and while the Mariners are in a battle to get the crowds something we need to bare in mind IMHO.
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Post by jollyroger on Oct 6, 2005 21:37:50 GMT 10
I agree with comments made in both dibo and Mr Celerys postings.
I think the marinators are tame compared to what i have heard at other games ive attended in the past. Last friday night i cannot recall to many instances of songs that over stepped the boundary in the language department. The whole crowd lifted because of the noise coming from bay 16 in the last 10 minutes of the game.
However, I do think that it is important to keep it as clean as possible and possibly set a standard. Whitty intelligent chants dont need language to be effective.
We all want to see the mariners do well and attact big crowds to the games. Part of this involves the attendance of familys to the games. We dont want to give people a reason for not taking their young familys out to the game on a saturday night.
Mr Celery as for the comment " - Don't like it - don't sit there, end of conversation". I can assure you that you dont need to be sitting in, or near bay 16, to hear whats being sung.
The marinators might be the minority in the crowd ,but they create the majority of the atmospehere at the games. The atmosphere created is what will make people keep coming back for more.
I dont have to many problems with anything i have heard thus far. But lets be aware why its important to continue and strive to maintain a standard.
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Post by sacko on Oct 6, 2005 22:37:32 GMT 10
As a bit of background, I was a regular on the terraces and post Taylor Report stands at Upton Park from age 7 'til 25 when I moved to Sydney. The first couple years were OK football wise as I had access to the EPL via TV but something was missing. Then 2 or 3 games into Spirit's 1st season I went along with the misses one Friday night to give it a whirl, after a 0-0 draw against Newcastle I thought I may had filled the gap, after the 4-0 thrashing of Marconi the next home game I was sure! I met some great blokes on the Mac Terrace over those 6 seasons and have managed to catch up with most of them at a Mariners or Socceroo game since. I go to live football matches for the atmosphere, although the view from Bay 16 is much better than the Mac Terrace you can still get a better view sitting on the sofa in front of the TV (were it doesn't cost $5 a beer!). I understand that people support their team in difference ways, some just literally sing when they're winning and that's fine depending on the company you keep at that match and or your own personality. The atmosphere at many English grounds has gone down a few notches since the all seater grounds, as allocated seating means you are stuck were your ticket says. Where as on the old terraces the people that wanted to sing congregated together, generally behind one of the goals. The less vocal supporters knew this so either went to a different part of the ground or put up with what ever went on. Here in Australia the general admission ticket solves this issue by allowing people to choose where to sit within the GA area. In my opinion if some people are offended by some of the chanting from Bay 16 they either don't join in - and if it's that bad it'll die out quickly any how or you choose to watch the game from slightly further away where you can still sample the electric atmosphere that Bay 16 creates, but can shield the delicate ears of your girlfriend or children if you prefer that they didn't hear ever naughty word spoken. Therefore if you choose to stand in Bay 16 you either put up with any thing that isn't to your personal taste or you come up with an alternative chant that more people want to sing, like the witty "we hate you 'cause your Victorian" which more often than not drowned out my "F@ck back to Millwall chant" that I was trying to direct a certain cheating fullback last Friday. To reply on another point that somebody mentioned about Voice, he wasn't the leader of the terrace, he often lead "Shake it up baby" but there were many of us coming up with different stuff through out both the indivial games and indeed across the seasons.
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Post by Auburn Mariner on Oct 7, 2005 13:31:00 GMT 10
Thanks Sacko and Ursus for this input. It gives good background to an interesting thread. And yes, that Millwall thug deserves all of the scorn he gets and won't he be in for an earful nest time at Stade des Marins???
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Post by Dan on Oct 7, 2005 18:03:12 GMT 10
Like you wouldnt believe AM.......like you wouldnt believe.
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