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Post by brett on Sept 29, 2007 17:58:09 GMT 10
Yowza.
His latest one arguing for the scrapping of the salary cap is a bit of a shocker.
He points out that only one club has gone out the back door - NZ Knights. Why was that, Les? Maybe something to do with loss after loss after loss after loss for two years?
Give Melbourne and the other big city teams the advantage of a salary cap 3 times the size of the smaller clubs, and it won't be long before we go out the same way.
I actually agree that the NRL has become boretown 101 with no real favourites or consistently 'big' clubs any more, but the A-League NEEDS to have that equality, to give clubs like the Mariners their time in the sun as we are currently enjoying, for quite a few years yet.
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Post by bakery5 on Sept 29, 2007 23:53:13 GMT 10
Yowza. His latest one arguing for the scrapping of the salary cap is a bit of a shocker. He points out that only one club has gone out the back door - NZ Knights. Why was that, Les? Maybe something to do with loss after loss after loss after loss for two years? Give Melbourne and the other big city teams the advantage of a salary cap 3 times the size of the smaller clubs, and it won't be long before we go out the same way. I actually agree that the NRL has become boretown 101 with no real favourites or consistently 'big' clubs any more, but the A-League NEEDS to have that equality, to give clubs like the Mariners their time in the sun as we are currently enjoying, for quite a few years yet. Melbourne Storm have been in the grand final for 2 years in a row. Also, North Queensland Cowboys have been up there too. |
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Post by RECKY on Sept 30, 2007 8:28:56 GMT 10
does anyone really care what Mrs football says since Mr Football passed ?, we all know JW was the brains of the outfit.....mind you anything Cranky old Mrs football says is still 99.99999% better than the shite Slater drools on a regular basis
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Post by bikinigirl on Oct 1, 2007 7:29:55 GMT 10
I can see why some of you take it as complimentary, but I take it as rather patronising myself... . agree, its the subtle comments like ' apparently he is doing it again' - like for some unknown reason we are top of the league. it has happened but he doesn't really understand how |
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Post by bikinigirl on Oct 1, 2007 11:52:40 GMT 10
Yowza. His latest one arguing for the scrapping of the salary cap is a bit of a shocker. He points out that only one club has gone out the back door - NZ Knights. Why was that, Les? Maybe something to do with loss after loss after loss after loss for two years? Give Melbourne and the other big city teams the advantage of a salary cap 3 times the size of the smaller clubs, and it won't be long before we go out the same way. I actually agree that the NRL has become boretown 101 with no real favourites or consistently 'big' clubs any more, but the A-League NEEDS to have that equality, to give clubs like the Mariners their time in the sun as we are currently enjoying, for quite a few years yet. . great idea, remove the salary cap! then lets see what happens: . those that think they can afford it will spend up big . after a while they will become competitive, as they spend more they start to dominate . the smaller clubs will go broke trying to remain competitive . there will be no consistency in personnel so no passion, no support, no interest . the remaining clubs will keep spending until they go broke . the a league will collapse in a heap . some knob in the media will then say it was because australian coaches and players are not good enough and that the game had become boring and predictable - wait a minute, that sounds a bit familiar ...... . or if we get down to two teams it will be great! just like state of orgin - except both teams will be full of brazilians  - that oughta make a few people happy |
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Post by midfielder on Oct 1, 2007 20:04:11 GMT 10
does anyone really care what Mrs football says since Mr Football passed ?, we all know JW was the brains of the outfit.....mind you anything Cranky old Mrs football says is still 99.99999% better than the shite Slater drools on a regular basis Agree on both points which is a bit of a worry, both come with what seem fixed views and be little people not of their view. Problem is they are the two main media people we have. I would also throw Mike Cockup in there as well, not quite as bad but not much better either. How I wish media organizations would appoint more football people as these clowns would be shown for what they are or forced to life their game. |
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Post by mortez on Oct 1, 2007 20:26:46 GMT 10
Robbie Slater has a decent football pedigree IMO.
Maybe his media pedigree might be questionable?
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Post by midfielder on Oct 1, 2007 22:18:33 GMT 10
Robbie Slater has a decent football pedigree IMO. Maybe his media pedigree might be questionable? Never questioned his playing talent its his media talent IMO |
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Post by Pete on Oct 2, 2007 10:53:31 GMT 10
IMO, Slater is carrying personal misfortunes and bad investment losses into his media commentary by colouring his bias against certain individuals associated with certain HAL clubs and favouring those clubs he has a neutral involvement with, or some involvement with (Sydney).
He should not be allowed to bias his live to air media commentary in such a way for his own personal reasons. I doubt it is just the way he sees things, I suspect it's deliberate (though I have no proof).
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Post by Jesus on Oct 2, 2007 11:52:19 GMT 10
I cant wait for the day when there are so many football analysts in main stream media, that they can all be mildly biased, but after reading the 12 pages of footabll news everyday, you dont mind because there are so many views being givens voices.
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Post by Pete on Oct 2, 2007 12:00:38 GMT 10
Yeah, Jesus, it wouldn't be too bad, if Slater - and Murray - didn't have such a huge slice of the public's ear or eyes, each time they sat down and said something biased or wrote something one sided.
They both bitch about taking football forward, being progressive etc. but their own views have been dictated by what has happened in the past and so cleverly disguised that most folks don't realise the views are biased.
It's about time some other media folk stood up and wrote the true story of why these views are being pushed, but they are all probably scared of never being allowed to get a gig on FoxSports or SBS if they do.
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Post by shelleybeach on Oct 5, 2007 5:30:15 GMT 10
he seems to be put out that a real football team, a proper club, is winning, against some pretty big odds. like we upset the natural order or something.
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Post by Rubbernose on Oct 5, 2007 11:29:01 GMT 10
The whole lot of them at SBS have turned into complete jerks in Les's ego driven culture wars. Les, Foz, Orsatti - utterly agenda ridden jerk offs, imho. Playing to a certain demographic of disgruntled stuck up (anglophobic) tossers, and still smarting about being left behind. Blatantly so. Agenda ridden, grandstanding twats. Les has gone mad. Check out the smug piece of patronising poster boy garbage Orsatti penned today. www.theworldgame.com.au/opinions/index.php?pid=st&cid=96887&ct=30Such constant self flagellation can hardly be designed for the betterment of the game. Like fark, it's a cynical exercise in points scoring. None of them have had any time for the A-League since it started. They epitome that old chestnut, "Old Football". But I hate that guy, Arsehatti. I can't even stand looking at him, that smug look on his dial, and few people have that effect on me. I can't ever forget that naeseating piece of crap he penned after Italy knocked Australia out of the world cup, the guy is a complete f***wit. |
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Post by bikinigirl on Oct 5, 2007 13:12:18 GMT 10
. nice article especially the start - that's the way to build up the popularity of the sport which obviously would bring more dollars which would allow the league to improve
. at least there are few of the 'average punters' and those that are the subject of a-league marketting that would see it
. maybe thinking like this (cut from his article):
"what are we left with here? Should we try to promote our own or import more affordable foreigners"
should be applied to positions such as his
. admittedly my watching of the world game is diminishing, but i do recall a few weeks ago when they had francis awarawotsizname on and orsatti had just bagged out the mariners in an intro. as francis gave him a right serving the camera panned away to see orsatti shaking his head in disgust - it cracked me up
. i think they are just trying to maintain their niche audience
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Post by midfielder on Oct 5, 2007 16:25:58 GMT 10
The whole lot of them at SBS have turned into complete jerks in Les's ego driven culture wars. Les, Foz, Orsatti - utterly agenda ridden jerk offs, imho. Playing to a certain demographic of disgruntled stuck up (anglophobic) tossers, and still smarting about being left behind. Blatantly so. Agenda ridden, grandstanding twats. Les has gone mad. Check out the smug piece of patronising poster boy garbage Orsatti penned today. www.theworldgame.com.au/opinions/index.php?pid=st&cid=96887&ct=30 Such constant self flagellation can hardly be designed for the betterment of the game. Like fark, it's a cynical exercise in points scoring. None of them have had any time for the A-League since it started. They epitome that old chestnut, "Old Football". But I hate that guy, Arsehatti. I can't even stand looking at him, that smug look on his dial, and few people have that effect on me. I can't ever forget that naeseating piece of crap he penned after Italy knocked Australia out of the world cup, the guy is a complete f***wit. Agree Rubbernose. You get the feeling that since they lost the rights to the A-League to Fox they have not stopped sulking. Yet it's getting better, bigger in spite of SBS not because of them. Who the F does Orsatti think he is. He must be smart because if you compare the A-League with the big four in Europe the standards different. Gee Thanks mate. Well SBS if you read this or one of your bloggers read this. TWG on Subday afternoon give maybe 15 min to the A-league and Australian football mostly negative stuff. This one little bear wants a hour show on the A-league and much less time on the European leagues, and positive stuff. FU SBS you have turned into a jealous little baby so go F yourself, and I for one will no longer watch you. |
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Post by omni on Oct 5, 2007 20:12:11 GMT 10
Orsatti has come up with a new slogan for SBS Sport in the start of his article...
'it's not football at all'.
Stop it now SBS, you're just making yourselves look like whining children in the eyes of the real football loving public, it's quite clear you are not interested in the good of the game and your true selfish motives are coming out.
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Post by shelleybeach on Oct 6, 2007 4:58:11 GMT 10
pissed off i actually read Orsatti's piece - I really don't get it, was he expecting Wenger and Henry to join the A-league? wanker.
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Post by voice of reason on Oct 6, 2007 8:23:09 GMT 10
The A-League can be enjoyed here in NSW without watching it on TV. We can easily get to Sydney, Gosford or Newcastle to watch games. But we cannot watch it on TV without buying into Rupert Murdoch's capitalist vision of the game, and that goes for the many football lovers outside the main centres. SBS is still smarting from losing football to Murdoch, and we should not easily forgive Murdoch for taking something from us.
The folk at SBS are right of course. The A-League is no EPL, but does anyone expect it to be. They should watch and enjoy it for what it is. Orsatti has always been a bit of a smug individual, so don't take much notice of what he says.
Don't dismiss SBS on account of this. Their coverage of the UEFA Champions League is top-class (except for Gary Bloom, who is a total idiot).
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Post by ~Floss~ on Oct 6, 2007 10:39:55 GMT 10
I find this very frustrating to read.
These SBS types have been so critical of the McKinna philosophy of strength through consistency and stability, but do you think that quote above has anything to do with why the Mariners are top of the league?
They'll never be happy. What do they want - everyone to sign a Fred and a Jardel at the start of every season, make excuses for the first half of the season that the players are just settling in and getting to know each other, then at the end of the season lose the Freds to other leagues and sack the Jardels?
IMO that would hold back the progress they are supposedly looking for, and they'd be criticising the start of every new season because it doesn't meet the standard of the end of the previous one.
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Post by Jesus on Oct 6, 2007 13:09:27 GMT 10
It is like they are giving the FFA crap for promoting the league. The promotion gets people on seats. Gives the clubs cash. It is what leads to sponsor dollars, as well as increasing the salary cap. As thiscontinues, the quality will get higher. Did they really think 2.3 years into the a-league we would be on par with european and south american leagues? This takes time, and money. They even said the FFA are working on the time side, making better coaches at younger ages etc. As well the give them crap for promoting and talking up the league, to get the money.
I think there are some quality coaches in the league. Our gaffer, herbett, van, even frankie does all right.
It is all negative with sbs now. Except when talking of whoninho. Why not positive talk, positive critisism. And some level of understanding that things take time. I personally think the FFA has done a bang up job to this stage getting the game where it is. I like that lowy's end goal is to have the league at a stage where australians dont go overseas to play. Where they make similar wages here.
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- that oughta make a few people happy
