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Post by omni on Oct 7, 2007 23:55:18 GMT 10
I stopped watching the world game a long time ago, think I'll stop watching SBS all together* at this rate, it's getting childish, next thing it'll be "errr you guys at fox are gay" seriously.
* I still love Le Tour, so that will stay on my schedule.
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Post by greenpoleffc on Oct 7, 2007 23:56:56 GMT 10
SBS, the media relevance of 2 blokes talking at a bus stop :-)
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Post by midfielder on Oct 9, 2007 11:10:02 GMT 10
Les and Gang, watched your appraisal of the A-League.
Get real guys and Les stop asking those have you stop beating you wife questions. Really mate your questions were set up for what agenda I don't know but how is this. How good is the league in a technical sense? Do we have any star player who drags fans through the gate?
Les the game has a small hold and is just getting respect. You seem from a distance to want to draw the A-League down because TWG when it does talk A-League or Australian football is mainly negative and nasty negative.
SBS lost the rights, Simon Hill left, Robbie & Craig don’t get on that well.
In closing SBS and Les in particular, an as others have pointed out in this thread the A-League is in its very early years it needs support not bitchy agenda driven rubbish.
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Post by ~Floss~ on Oct 9, 2007 19:03:55 GMT 10
Is this what you saw? www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH2bgh8eoHEIMO they're rubishing the league in a writing-it-off kind of way, and it's far too soon to be judging it like that. Obviously it's still developing, and it won't be world-class while there are still hurdles to overcome and bugs to iron out. I would expect to see things improve season by season for a few years yet; they can't expect the league to be at its full potential after 2 seasons. |
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Post by ~Floss~ on Oct 9, 2007 19:08:14 GMT 10
SBS, the media relevance of 2 blokes talking at a bus stop :-) I used to fall for their "expert" act, but now i'm more critical. They make it sound like they know how to run the FFA and every team i the a-league better than those in power. Sydney aren't going that well under Branko, and neither are Craig Foster's team (If he was really that good, wouldn't he be able to get a better coaching gig than Nerds FC?) |
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Post by midfielder on Oct 10, 2007 17:55:57 GMT 10
Seems I am not the only person thinking SBS have gone a bit over the top. The blog so far seems about 90 to 95 % support the notion, and don't quite know if we inspired the The Whistleblower (replacement of half time orange) at Foxsports the following blogg. But Whistleblower and I guess about 80% of the Fox and therefore national blogg agree with the notion SBS are over the top with their reporting on the A-League. Don’t throw A-League baby out with the bath water blogs.foxsports.com.au/football/index.php/foxsports/comments/dont_throw_a_league_baby_out_with_the_water/ |
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Post by curious on Oct 10, 2007 21:10:40 GMT 10
Seems I am not the only person thinking SBS have gone a bit over the top. The blog so far seems about 90 to 95 % support the notion, and don't quite know if we inspired the The Whistleblower (replacement of half time orange) at Foxsports the following blogg. But Whistleblower and I guess about 80% of the Fox and therefore national blogg agree with the notion SBS are over the top with their reporting on the A-League. Don’t throw A-League baby out with the bath water blogs.foxsports.com.au/football/index.php/foxsports/comments/dont_throw_a_league_baby_out_with_the_water/You can hardly call a Foxsports article critical of their only serious football competitor TWG/SBS, impartial, regardless of our own opinions. Akin to expecting an impartial opinion from Howard about the Labor party. |
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Post by greenpoleffc on Oct 10, 2007 21:50:14 GMT 10
Its all very well for the NSL apologists on SBS to slag the HAL but what would they replace it with??
I suspect they are miffed because they arent a minority clique anymore
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Post by midfielder on Oct 10, 2007 22:14:09 GMT 10
Seems I am not the only person thinking SBS have gone a bit over the top. The blog so far seems about 90 to 95 % support the notion, and don't quite know if we inspired the The Whistleblower (replacement of half time orange) at Foxsports the following blogg. But Whistleblower and I guess about 80% of the Fox and therefore national blogg agree with the notion SBS are over the top with their reporting on the A-League. Don’t throw A-League baby out with the bath water blogs.foxsports.com.au/football/index.php/foxsports/comments/dont_throw_a_league_baby_out_with_the_water/You can hardly call a Foxsports article critical of their only serious football competitor TWG/SBS, impartial, regardless of our own opinions. Akin to expecting an impartial opinion from Howard about the Labor party. Curious, you may have a point would Fox ever support SBS. From my reading of Fox bloggs Jessie Fink in his half time orange blogg often supported Craig Foster in particular and SBS on a number of times. I can't recall on the Fox bloggs ever reading a anti SBS mostly in support. Accordingly the Don’t throw A-League baby out with the bath water was a surprise. It was the The Whistleblower second blogg so I will look in the future to see if he is anti or pro SBS. Nevertheless the context of my thread and the Fox blogg was that SBS's treatment of the A-League is very critical and given this is only the very early stages of year three what level do they expect further the context of most of TWG is European focus and I have moved on. I now want a show with lots on the A-League not the little and mostly critical served up to us by SBS at the mom. In closing the A-League is still in a very tenuous position in the mainstream media landscape and still needs all the friends it can get. So are SBS sulking because they lost the rights? Why are most things they say negative about the A-League? Why so little on the A-League in a three hour show? |
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Post by greenpoleffc on Oct 10, 2007 22:17:47 GMT 10
The last bastion of the cultural cringe perhaps?? If its from overseas, it must be better.
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Post by curious on Oct 10, 2007 22:45:17 GMT 10
That one is easy.
They don't have rights to show more than Fox is willing to sell or allow.
They would be crazy to spend more time helping promote a league fully owned by a competitor, than on leagues they have bought the rights to telecast. Remember, SBS are now limited commercial & have to earn much of their income.
And don't forget, SBS won't even get the chance to show a single replay for the next 5 years.
Fox themself have a highlights show every monday night?
You think they want a FTA station competing with that?
I'm sure not.
I also think we are dreaming if we think we can sell exclusive rights of a product to paytv, force anyone that wants to watch the aleague & socceroos to pay $50 plus a month for the honour & still expect FTA to still give it the time of the day & help promote the product that only paytv can benefit from.
We gave away our right to winge about FTA football coverage when Fox signed the exclusive contract.
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Post by midfielder on Oct 10, 2007 23:02:49 GMT 10
So SBS are not about developing Football in Australia, they are simply in a commercial TV broadcast war with Fox over sporting broadcast rights. That is not the image SBS have presented themselves over the years. SBS have claimed nay screamed that it is they who (in large part true) have developed football in Australia to its present position and will continue to develop it. Remember they are afterall mainly governemnt funded. But your point on helping a competitor, does it also mean even if you don't help that you have to put the boot me. |
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Post by curious on Oct 11, 2007 0:08:38 GMT 10
So SBS are not about developing Football in Australia, they are simply in a commercial TV broadcast war with Fox over sporting broadcast rights. That is not the image SBS have presented themselves over the years. SBS have claimed nay screamed that it is they who (in large part true) have developed football in Australia to its present position and will continue to develop it. Remember they are afterall mainly governemnt funded. But your point on helping a competitor, does it also mean even if you don't help that you have to put the boot me. If your one of my competitors, yes i would put the boot in. However, they may actually believe it to be constructive criticism. I can't read their minds to know otherwise. I could be very, very critical as well if i was asked to give the opinion of an impartial observer. I wouldn't however compare it to oversees leagues without qualification, but i would bag the shit out of the FFA in regards to it's total incompetence & refusal to let go of the old world. Yes they used to be fully government funded, but thats a thing of the past. Even Les has to toe the company line. For the 1st time in football, a paytv company OWNS it. Times have changed, but not for the better. What do you think about my comment regarding we gave away our right to winge about football coverage on fta when we sold the the exclusive rights to paytv? You don't think we are wanting to keep our cake & eat it as well? I'm trying to look at it without a football fans bias btw. |
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Post by midfielder on Oct 11, 2007 1:06:38 GMT 10
What do you think about my comment regarding we gave away our right to winge about football coverage on fta when we sold the the exclusive rights to paytv? You don't think we are wanting to keep our cake & eat it as well? I'm trying to look at it without a football fans bias btw. Curious, I agree that Fox are a commercial company. But the facts are no one else offered to pay money for the rights. I have written to John Howard and my local member about the Socceroos being on free to air. Fox offered money and coverage of all matches no one else did including SBS. Also given News own a quarter of fox, news paper reporting got a lot better. Its simple no Fox no A-League, at least its current funding level. Also apart from Socceroos, and maybe Asian Champions League matches, I think until the game develops more the A-League would not work on free to air. I do see your point and think maybe you are to caught in the fact that Fox are commercial and SBS are community. However your own arguement about commercial V community would even more support my view that SBS should assist in the building of football. I would also like to remind you of the last broadcast war. It was called Super League and it near killed rugby league and league will never be what it was before the media war. So SBS help not hinder |
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Post by serious14 on Oct 11, 2007 4:58:34 GMT 10
I stopped watching TWG a couple of months ago...... it's descended into a "omfg, the A-League is shit and you should all watch La Liga because it's the best to jerk off to, bring back Dwight Yorke, BLAH BLAH BLAH", and quite frankly it's bordering on insulting. I watch football programs for goal highlights, sensible analysis of matches, general football news (on and off the park), and previews of coming matches - not to listen to Les have a whinge about how it's not a game played in the suburban parks by ethnic minorities anymore. I used to love Les, but he's fallen on hard times with me a bit lately. Pick up your act old son.
The thing that I don't get at all is - this is what he and Johnny Warren (RIP) fought so long for..... a non-ethnic, NATIONAL league with mainstream media coverage embraced by all (or most) who come across. Are they seriously _that_ sour grapes over not getting the rights?? (which, I hasten to add, they never actually seriously bid for)
Nothing changes the fact that Andrew Orsatti is a cockstain whom I would cross the road to punch in the face though. Arrogant wanker.
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