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Post by midfielder on Sept 28, 2007 20:27:04 GMT 10
Below is Les Murry's comment on Lawrie taken from the World Game Opinion link (clever dick)
Les I once respected you but without Johnny to hold your hand and with Fox having the broadcast rights, you are running the risk of turning into a Pot Bellied Bitchy old Tart ;D . If this is your best for the month then leave while you have some cred left.
Also mate get over the Anglo bashing, and hand off it Les that Lawie is scared to sign good players why probably in fear of not being able to control them, or at least harness them for the good of the collective >:(as I said hand off it Les.
Lawrie McKinna (Central Coast)
McKinna was probably the coaching revelation of the league’s first season and, apparently, he’s doing it again.
But he does have advantages over the others. McKinna, whose actual title is ‘football manager’ in the old British tradition, is totally independent and bares no interference from the board or management.
He is the only coach in the league who personally hand-picked every player on the club roster as well as his coaching staff.
That gives him enormous respect and loyalty from the players. He shies away from signing players of ostentatious flair or individualism, probably in fear of not being able to control them, or at least harness them for the good of the collective.
His utterances regarding not needing to sign South Americans suggests this, and as such he is probably perfect for a club with the smallest population base in the league.
Central Coast does not lack ambition but, being the league’s ‘smallest’ club, there is little doubt that it doesn’t expect trophies year in and year out.
McKinna may not be the highest paid coach in the A-League but he is in the safest of the eight jobs. Provided he can attain a decent consistency of results, and retain his likeable persona, he will never be sacked.
His mantra appears to be hard work, that is what he gets from his players and that is what so often translates into results for him.
But that would not do at a Sydney or a Melbourne for example, where a bit of showbiz and ritzy glamour is required beside the results.
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Post by greenpoleffc on Sept 28, 2007 23:00:10 GMT 10
Irrelevant has been..........should be retired.
Also, did anyone here that twat Slater putting us down again tonight.
no one likes us we dont care
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Post by thesandman on Sept 29, 2007 1:17:39 GMT 10
The sad thing is, I'm sure he thinks he was being nice to us  |
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Post by serious14 on Sept 29, 2007 6:49:45 GMT 10
Perhaps a new song is in order?? Something that signifies "we don't give a flying f*ck if you don't like us, because everything about us is better than you".
Yay, nay??
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Post by sideshow on Sept 29, 2007 8:19:38 GMT 10
i actually think les is quite kind about it. McKinna was probably the coaching revelation of the league’s first season and, apparently, he’s doing it again. But he does have advantages over the others. McKinna, whose actual title is ‘football manager’ in the old British tradition, is totally independent and bares no interference from the board or management. He is the only coach in the league who personally hand-picked every player on the club roster as well as his coaching staff. That gives him enormous respect and loyalty from the players. His utterances regarding not needing to sign South Americans suggests this, and as such he is probably perfect for a club with the smallest population base in the league. Central Coast does not lack ambition but, being the league’s ‘smallest’ club, there is little doubt that it doesn’t expect trophies year in and year out. McKinna may not be the highest paid coach in the A-League but he is in the safest of the eight jobs. Provided he can attain a decent consistency of results, and retain his likeable persona, he will never be sacked. His mantra appears to be hard work, that is what he gets from his players and that is what so often translates into results for him. all this stuff is approval that he is a good coach. the one line about the not being able to handle them, is not particularly true but not far off. i think he only didn't take a 'major player' because he likes to keep the community spirit within the club, no show ponies. that is what our club stands for - community spirit. Tony vidmar, while being a marquee player, also joined the community here and does all the promos and stuff. he may have been the highest paid, but doesn't act like it, he is a team player. |
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Post by offtheball on Sept 29, 2007 9:05:58 GMT 10
i actually think les is quite kind about it. McKinna was probably the coaching revelation of the league’s first season and, apparently, he’s doing it again. But he does have advantages over the others. McKinna, whose actual title is ‘football manager’ in the old British tradition, is totally independent and bares no interference from the board or management. He is the only coach in the league who personally hand-picked every player on the club roster as well as his coaching staff. That gives him enormous respect and loyalty from the players. His utterances regarding not needing to sign South Americans suggests this, and as such he is probably perfect for a club with the smallest population base in the league. Central Coast does not lack ambition but, being the league’s ‘smallest’ club, there is little doubt that it doesn’t expect trophies year in and year out. McKinna may not be the highest paid coach in the A-League but he is in the safest of the eight jobs. Provided he can attain a decent consistency of results, and retain his likeable persona, he will never be sacked. His mantra appears to be hard work, that is what he gets from his players and that is what so often translates into results for him. all this stuff is approval that he is a good coach. the one line about the not being able to handle them, is not particularly true but not far off. i think he only didn't take a 'major player' because he likes to keep the community spirit within the club, no show ponies. that is what our club stands for - community spirit. Tony vidmar, while being a marquee player, also joined the community here and does all the promos and stuff. he may have been the highest paid, but doesn't act like it, he is a team player. I agree a can't see too much negative in Murray's assessment either. In fact I see the article as full of compliments. Hard working, community minded, commanding respect. Seems all good to me. |
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Post by Jesus on Sept 29, 2007 9:24:52 GMT 10
Why is it that half the commentators i read suggest we are playing boring, and the other half champagne football?
I do not think we are playing boring. I do no think we have even hit out stride yet. We play a fast attacking game. With quick movement.
Les has got to get over himself. If he has a problem with retaining players, why doesnt he suggest a larger salary cap. We dont want a league where purely because melbourne have the largest crowds they are guarenteed the best team. If this was the case the smaller clubs, eg us, perth, wellington, adelaide, even sydney with their mediocre crowds, would only lose crowds.
Les seems to think the league is in a much better position than it is. His suggestions on the premier league are tripe, since a salary cap there would be huge, and the only club who can realistically afford ronaldo etc outside of england are barce and real madrid.
We are not as intricately linked with the world football market as england is. There is some daylight, which is why, as with the yanks,a salary cap works at all.
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Post by hilly2111 on Sept 29, 2007 11:17:15 GMT 10
I take that as another slap in the face from the media.
Why don't we expect trophies every year? If we don't expect them then why do we bother to show up and support the mariners every week if we didn't expect them to win trophies. ridiculous comment. In fact it should be the opposite as deing in at least one final in the first two seasons has now given us more expectations of the mariners.
If I was Lawrie I would bew insulted by the not being able to handle the big names.
Also on total football on Thursday Slater was up to his old tricks by saying we are playing good faootball but he thinks Adelaide will get up on Sunday. This is also reflected on the TAB which shows us as outsiders at $3.30 to win. I don't get it but I'll take their money.
TF also gave man of the match last week to a Perth player. WTF When we win we still can't get recognised. Perth 3 points, Sash 2 points, Perth 1 point. I can't recall too many football games when the losing team gets MOM.
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Post by voice of reason on Sept 29, 2007 11:48:12 GMT 10
Complimentary, in a very low-key way. No offence taken from this quarter. Says plenty for Lawrie's savvy and determination.
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Post by thesandman on Sept 29, 2007 12:25:41 GMT 10
I can see why some of you take it as complimentary, but I take it as rather patronising myself...
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Post by jazasydneyfc on Sept 29, 2007 12:36:17 GMT 10
Murray's insane and has been for some time.
Anyone who can't see that McKinna is (probably) the best coach in the league and doesn't respect his views (regardless of your thoughts on them) is a fool.
He has played infinitely more attractive football than many of his counterparts, and his right to not sign imports should not be questioned - especially with a team at the summit of the ladder.
Les, in his insanity, as caught this Sth American bug everyone else seems to have - oblivious to it's obvious flaws (along with it's obvious upsides), and constant in it's praise.
He'll be proven wrong when you win the league (in the regular season at least).. Not that you'll know it when he brings out the generalisations about your style of play under a British-born manager and the work ethic of your players (whilst ignoring any quality).
Old Fool.
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Post by dru on Sept 29, 2007 12:44:09 GMT 10
In the context of the article looking at Australian coaches with regard to stepping up to take the reigns of the national team, it's reasonably complementary, and he is a lot harder on some of the other coaches than our gaffer. he finally admits that our coach is an Australian. Finally!!! but taking the comments in regard to coaching in this league they are close to idiotic in the fact they ignore the philosophy of the club in connecting to the local area and developing young talent. Personally I'm more offended by this article from Les! I think there might be a banner idea somewhere in that article, involving a nose and a thumb. At least we see fit to develop young players, not to mention producing socceroos. |
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Post by T on Sept 29, 2007 13:06:30 GMT 10
To me the article seems very patronising, like he has to come up with some reason as to why we are leading the comp at this point in time...
Never mind the fact that Lawie has gone out of his way to engage the community, keeps an eye on the local comps and has kept a fairly stable team. No major disruptions or changes. The fact that we are leading the comp is from hard work, from the players, from Lawrie and from the community. If thats the best he has to say about the Mariners then he is pretty short sited.
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Post by midfielder on Sept 29, 2007 13:09:03 GMT 10
Murray's insane and has been for some time. Anyone who can't see that McKinna is (probably) the best coach in the league and doesn't respect his views (regardless of your thoughts on them) is a fool. He has played infinitely more attractive football than many of his counterparts, and his right to not sign imports should not be questioned - especially with a team at the summit of the ladder. Les, in his insanity, as caught this Sth American bug everyone else seems to have - oblivious to it's obvious flaws (along with it's obvious upsides), and constant in it's praise. He'll be proven wrong when you win the league (in the regular season at least).. Not that you'll know it when he brings out the generalisations about your style of play under a British-born manager and the work ethic of your players (whilst ignoring any quality). Old Fool. Thanks for the Sydney support and Les ignores the Mariners have 4 Socceroos and 4 Olyroos in the squad of which five are current. |
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Post by midfielder on Sept 29, 2007 13:22:19 GMT 10
In the context of the article looking at Australian coaches with regard to stepping up to take the reigns of the national team, it's reasonably complementary, and he is a lot harder on some of the other coaches than our gaffer. he finally admits that our coach is an Australian. Finally!!! but taking the comments in regard to coaching in this league they are close to idiotic in the fact they ignore the philosophy of the club in connecting to the local area and developing young talent. Personally I'm more offended by this article from Les! I think there might be a banner idea somewhere in that article, involving a nose and a thumb. At least we see fit to develop young players, not to mention producing socceroos. Not they are close to idiotic, they are idiotic. The belief that we can create Australia Center of Football Excellence on the coast and start building for that is what is needed in Australian football, not the Bling of a York or creating super clubs. Who is building the centerer of excellence for the benefit of Les its Lawie. I wonder if Sydney or Melbourne were doing what the Mariners are doing would tartie old Les still be as critical. Lawie coach of the year in the last year of the NSL, coach of the year V1 A-league, team sitting on top of ladder. Four socceroos four Olyroos. Les you are right a Sh*t coach, nay sorry a sh*t jealous jurno |
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Post by Andy on Sept 29, 2007 13:37:30 GMT 10
That is possibly the stupidest thing I have ever read from a so-called "football expert".
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Post by Bearinator on Sept 29, 2007 13:48:33 GMT 10
That is possibly the stupidest thing I have ever read from a so-called "football expert". I can believe I wasted 1 minute of my life reading that shit. I demand my time back. |
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Post by chooky on Sept 29, 2007 13:53:20 GMT 10
He shies away from signing players of ostentatious flair or individualism, probably in fear of not being able to control them, or at least harness them for the good of the collective. His utterances regarding not needing to sign South Americans suggests this, and as such he is probably perfect for a club with the smallest population base in the league. So hes saying Australian players have no flair or talent? |
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Post by curious on Sept 29, 2007 14:19:44 GMT 10
The article is in my opinion, quite close the the mark.
However, I don't agree with the context of the article or his opinion on the salary cap.
wages as percentages of turnover.
entrepreneurial boldness and ambition.
Those two lines scare me & lead to super clubs V the rest, the have & have not, (if the rest manage to survive) as is the case in EPL & was the case in pre salary cap years in the old A. Rugby League.
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Post by curious on Sept 29, 2007 14:31:37 GMT 10
He shies away from signing players of ostentatious flair or individualism, probably in fear of not being able to control them, or at least harness them for the good of the collective. His utterances regarding not needing to sign South Americans suggests this, and as such he is probably perfect for a club with the smallest population base in the league. So hes saying Australian players have no flair or talent? Drawing a long bow there eh. "ostentatious flair or individualism", to me descibes a pretentious & selfish non team player. |
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