oziboy
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Post by oziboy on Mar 7, 2007 7:51:08 GMT 10
Mortez,
Are you sure your not on the CCF Board. ?
Seriously where is player development going - no where as usual, why change these rules when they only seem to have a negative effect. ?
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Post by keensy on Mar 7, 2007 15:08:46 GMT 10
What happens to the 8 or 9 at Gosford who can't play because of the players who want to play up. The 8 or 9 players that want to play 16A can drop to the 16B and help develop some of the 16C players that will have to come up and play with them to field a side. Players need to play with the better players to improve. This will improve the C grade players coming up to B grade as well as letting the A grade players still be in competative team. What a joke! 9 players play in a comp well below their standard. Where is the development for them. Didn't you say kids need to play with better players to help them improve. Gosford were League champions in 15A's last year. There is no way CCFA will allow them to play in, and dominate a B comp. The only reason gossie 16As coach is complaining is because he is also coaching wyoming 18As. He knows that if they play in 16As it works well for him on both fronts |
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marinermick
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Post by marinermick on Mar 7, 2007 15:16:17 GMT 10
it doesn't matter what system you take there will always be winners and losers
i think the ccf should decide on one that is better for the overall development of football in the area
if they lean for participation then be strict on the rules, if they towards pathways and player development then relax the rules
i would lean towards the latter but that is my opinion
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mortez
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Post by mortez on Mar 7, 2007 17:37:43 GMT 10
The 9 players will not be playing at all if some of the C grade player dont come up and play with them. Obviously the 9 are only average players or they would also want to play up so by playing in the B grade they may find it is their level anyway
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Post by offtheball on Mar 7, 2007 18:09:58 GMT 10
The 9 players are good players otherwise Gosford would not have been league champions last year. Some of them having played at representative level.
Are you saying tha hundreds of good players on the coast who are happy playing in their correct age group are really only average because they don't want to play up.
The 9 at Gosford will not be playing at all if CCFA don't stick to their guns.
Generally I too think players should be able to play up if it will help with their development, but not when it is to the detriment of other kids in the club. In this situation many kids at Gosford could have their season ruined.
In effect these four are trying to hold Gosford to ransom. If they must play up find a club that has no 16's or a 16's that is full and needs 18's. That way they can develop their game and go back to Gosford in future years to play senior football.
I have to laugh though that their aspirations are to play senior football at Gosford, PL2 last time I checked.
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Post by Jesus on Mar 7, 2007 18:47:50 GMT 10
In the end the CCF is not their predomianantly to support the talented. That is why their are rep teams. The CCF is there to look after its players. There are how many thousand local players on the coast? If the players are great, they will not be going anywhere anyway without hitting up representative football. Few players make it otherwise. The CCF has to look after the regulars first, thats democracy.
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mortez
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Post by mortez on Mar 7, 2007 18:59:20 GMT 10
Realistically any player with asperations of playing at a high level will not be playing 16A or 18A football for a local club.
Most will already be playing REP football by the age of 12.
Most will find it extremely difficult to break in if they are not in the mix for State Representative duties by age 14.
If they were really up to it they should already be in the mix for open grade CLUB football.
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Post by offtheball on Mar 7, 2007 19:14:33 GMT 10
Realistically any player with asperations of playing at a high level will not be playing 16A or 18A football for a local club. Most will already be playing REP football by the age of 12. Most will find it extremely difficult to break in if they are not in the mix for State Representative duties by age 14. If they were really up to it they should already be in the mix for open grade CLUB football. Can't disagree with that. More reason to make them play the right age. |
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Post by thetoffeemen on Mar 8, 2007 8:10:39 GMT 10
The Gosford 18as coach must be really worried if he relies on 3 under 16a to beat Wyoming 18as, sounds like the rest of the 18as are really crap, by the way it was the Gosford 16a coach who developed the 3 under 16as boys from age of 13 so it does not say much for the coach of the Under 18as Gosford coach. Maybe he should go take some coaching lessons.
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Post by offtheball on Mar 8, 2007 15:05:17 GMT 10
The Gosford 18as coach must be really worried if he relies on 3 under 16a to beat Wyoming 18as, sounds like the rest of the 18as are really crap, by the way it was the Gosford 16a coach who developed the 3 under 16as boys from age of 13 so it does not say much for the coach of the Under 18as Gosford coach. Maybe he should go take some coaching lessons. What does this issue have to do with the Gosford 18A's coach? It is a CCFA directive. |
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Post by keensy on Mar 8, 2007 19:36:15 GMT 10
It has alot to do with it as he is the one complaining about it the most and has the problem with it. Also you people say that if you havnt made reps by age 12 you will find it hard.....Matt simon played club with East Gosford before moving last year to lightning and is now in the running for a contract with CCM. Plus i will clear this up......THERE ARE ONLY 2 PLAYERS TRAINING WITH 18S wth one more who has shown interest to play with us, no other players have expressed interest to play with us.
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mortez
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Post by mortez on Mar 8, 2007 21:04:37 GMT 10
Obviously some people don't realize that Matt Simon played for Wyoming long before East Gosford.
He went to Central Coast Coasties Rep sides at age 11 and Graham Hutch was his coach.
Alan Hackett had him in the 12s.
He also persuaded him to play at East Gosford when Alan was coaching FIRST GRADE there.
If he was not exposed to Alan's training at age 12 and playing REP Football i doubt he would be where he is today. He would not have had to continually push himself.
He would have remained a big fish in a little pond.
He also played Rep Football in Sydney with Manly long before playing for East Gosford.
If he had been exposed to better development when he was 8 or 9 he would be a better player than he is at this time, and not just be in the running for a contract with the Mariners, he would have one.
He would also have learned fewer bad habits.
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Post by thetoffeemen on Mar 9, 2007 19:51:44 GMT 10
When you add up all the comments on this very imporatnt topic, the comments always comeback to CCF, they do not give a toss, for years coaches like Tony Gallagher, Allan Bourke, Alan Hackett, John Mclafferty have really tried hard to have a decent development system in place for club and rep players. What do CCF do, go into severe finacial problems every year because the board find it more important to drink all the income in the vip box at the mariners games. Gallagher went his own way with four four two at mount penang, the result 7 players developed by four four two selected in the current under 11s rep team with 3 others in Sydney, I should know, my son his one of them. Numerous players in other rep age groups and 2 players on contract with English premier league clubs. What does CCF do to develop players, nothing, they are about 20 years behind the times and always will be.
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Post by LeedsMariner#4 on Mar 10, 2007 18:52:51 GMT 10
anyone know how old you have to be to play all age??
can someone who is 15 play?
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Post by offtheball on Mar 10, 2007 18:56:58 GMT 10
Pretty sure you have to have turned 16.
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Post by Andy on Mar 10, 2007 19:37:06 GMT 10
That's lame!
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Post by Rowdy on Mar 11, 2007 14:47:30 GMT 10
Not really, I think it's 'sensible'.
If your a 15 y.o and think you're of AA standard then you should really be playing rep football for your age group or at worst have someone at your club who recognises, like you, your talent and pushes you up an age bracket to either the 16A's or if your really up for it the 18A's.
Unless a 15 y.o is one of those rarities whose bones, muscles, ligaments and facial hair have all fully developed and growth has 'ceased' then why subject under-developed 'kid's (physically) to the rigors and forces of competing for a ball against grown men 90 kg plus who don't give a fcuk how old the kiddie is when he too is competing for the ball.
Yeah you can argue that not letting kid's play up (this applies to AA) is halting their 'technical development' but the weigh up the pro's and cons of this and it's not to hard to find a story of a young player who's footballing future was destroyed by injury, sometimes occurring in their respective age group and not the far riskier chance of being injured competing against grown men.
As a mate of mine told me, in regards to his 14 y.o daughter who played NSW Womens Premier League for the Coast. The 1st grade coach wanted my mates 14 y.o girl to play up in the firsts, but he wouldn't have a bar of it, even though he knew she was technically capable. He said to me. "why risk it? If she's good enough to play for first grade at 14 y.o then she will exceed in ability by the time she is 17/18 y.o with the right programs that she's already in!"
All Age players, I'm sure will agree that:
"if you're old enough to take the field then
you're old enough to bleed and yield"
I'd rather watch my kid playing & building on their development over a long period of time and culminating in their standards of "success" then watch them reach "success" early and only get to watch them for a short period of time due to 'burn out' or pushing the envelope.
As my father always said to me, "cream, no matter which way you shake the milk or for how long ALWAYS rises to the top.
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Post by Jesus on Mar 11, 2007 16:02:57 GMT 10
Yeah, that was my point. Playing up, just because someone is technically good enough, does not mean they are physically ready. If those players play up, and get injured, not just are you wastiung their talent, but they claim insurance, the costs go up for everyone at the club etc.
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Post by mariners4ever on Mar 11, 2007 19:16:03 GMT 10
What happens to the 8 or 9 at Gosford who can't play because of the players who want to play up. Make the 4 or 5 in the C team play up in a standard that is beyond them? i am pretty sure they brought up 1 or 2 players from the c's, but what is that gunna do u need subs |
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Post by keensy on Mar 11, 2007 20:15:01 GMT 10
the 16s (minus the two players) won 6-0 and the 18s(with the two) won 5-0
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