Junior and Youth players playing up

[thetoffeemen]

What his the rule from central coast football on players at junior and youth level playing up an age or two, no one seem s to be able to clarify, can anyone help.

[mariners4ever]

i wont be able to clarify it for you but there is about 4 or 5 boys in the under 16's at gosford city and those boys refuse to play as they are good enough to play under 17 or 18's but the CCFA wont let them play up.

[mortez]

The situation of clubs and associations not allowing players to play up to their ability is radiculous.
It is nothing but a hand brake on player development.
We need our better young players to train and play with older players if Australia is to ever become a power in the world game.
Young players learn a lot faster from training and playing with older more experienced players.
If it is good enough for the powers of the world game to have elite teenagers in their national squads, we should be leanring from them, instead of burying our heads in the sand and not sitting up and taking notice how they develop their best talent.

[offtheball]

Most clubs seem to have the attitude that kids can only play up if no one else is to be disadvantaged.

eg who will miss out on a spot if players play up an age?
or
What happens to the players correct age group if they are allowed to play up?

I suppose it is up to the club and CCFA to try and see the big picture.

[dibo (pron. "DIB-OH")]

offtheball said:

Most clubs seem to have the attitude that kids can only play up if no one else is to be disadvantaged.

eg who will miss out on a spot if players play up an age?
or
What happens to the players correct age group if they are allowed to play up?

I suppose it is up to the club and CCFA to try and see the big picture.

i'm with the clubs looking after all the players - grassroots clubs have to serve more than the occasional prodigy insofar as running teams week to week. why should 15 players in a squad be put out to satisfy the one talent? the clubs should instead have an avenue to link up with an academy for their elite players.

elite players have to have opportunities, but equally the grassroots players who won't ever make that grade (i.e. most of us) but pay their fees just as much as the super talented kids need to get a fair go too. club football won't work if it's focussed on the few at the expense of the many. that's what the elite streams are for, and we already pay for them...

[offtheball]

Take it to the extreme. It would be a nightmare.

Club grading days would be completely open, every player would have to be considered. Realistically every age group in every club would have players who are capable of playing against older players.

I agree with Dibo we have Lightning to cater for the development of these players.

Problem with that is they may not have a spare $950.

[Perm]

sort of agree with this one.
the talented kid who wants to play up , should explore the next level and its avenues instead of playing a different more physical game of football and blending in and not giving themselves a chance to stand out at all.

[dibo (pron. "DIB-OH")]

offtheball said:

Take it to the extreme. It would be a nightmare.

Club grading days would be completely open, every player would have to be considered. Realistically every age group in every club would have players who are capable of playing against older players.

I agree with Dibo we have Lightning to cater for the development of these players.

Problem with that is they may not have a spare $950.

we should be working out ways for the ffa and the a-league clubs to help with that once they're getting up to speed cash-wise. no player should be denied a chance for no reason other than their parents can't stump up the cash.

[Jesus]

There could potentially be problems with insurance for kids playing higher ages too. If you play up 2 years you would have to be more likely to get injured i would think.

[Perm]

yep but thats a responsibility one would have to take if they did want to play up.
just like the suggested age for girls to play in mens is what? not past u/16's?

speaking of, anyone hear of the victorian female goalkeeper going to play for the reserves in the state league?

[keensy]

Well im not sure about all the minor details(will ask manager tonight), but the 2 players who dont want to play 16s are in my 18s side. I cannot blame them for wanting to play 18s as the have aspirations to break into 1sts and reserves squad here. They are already being noticed because of this. I cannot see the 16s side suffering because of these 2 players choosing 18s instead

[marinermick]

The good players should always have the opportunity to play up if they are physically and mentally capable.

When I was younger we had Troy Halpin play above his age both in our comp and my northern new south wales side that played nationals.

Likewise Mark Wilson in our Super League side and he went on to play national league for the breakers.

He was one of our better players and this exposure never harmed his career.

[Andy]

marinermick said:

The good players should always have the opportunity to play up if they are physically and mentally capable.

Yeah I agree. If their good enough to play in a higher division then let them.

[thetoffeemen]

Well thats settled, everyone agrees players should be allowed to play up, now tell the CCF who are on a different planet.

[LeedsMariner#4]

As long as the player is physically able to cope with playing a grade up, than they should be able to
it's nearly a restraint of trade to not allow them to, it could be argued that their future development is being restricted

[mariners4ever]

keensy said:

Well im not sure about all the minor details(will ask manager tonight), but the 2 players who dont want to play 16s are in my 18s side. I cannot blame them for wanting to play 18s as the have aspirations to break into 1sts and reserves squad here. They are already being noticed because of this. I cannot see the 16s side suffering because of these 2 players choosing 18s instead

i stand corrected, but because of some certain 16's players who wont play unless they go up the 16A side has only 8 or 9 people and the 16C side which i am in has about 16 or 17 players in the squad which is stupid. most of the C side are either not wanting to move up/not good enough to move up.

[kanewillow]

another problem if they are not letting players play up wat happens to 16s at clubs like my club the entrance who dont have a 16s team

[offtheball]

What happens to the 8 or 9 at Gosford who can't play because of the players who want to play up.

Make the 4 or 5 in the C team play up in a standard that is beyond them?

[mortez]

What happens to the 8 or 9 at Gosford who can't play because of the players who want to play up.

The 8 or 9 players that want to play 16A can drop to the 16B and help develop some of the 16C players that will have to come up and play with them to field a side.
Players need to play with the better players to improve.
This will improve the C grade players coming up to B grade as well as letting the A grade players still be in competative team.

[offtheball]

mortez said:

What happens to the 8 or 9 at Gosford who can't play because of the players who want to play up.

The 8 or 9 players that want to play 16A can drop to the 16B and help develop some of the 16C players that will have to come up and play with them to field a side.
Players need to play with the better players to improve.
This will improve the C grade players coming up to B grade as well as letting the A grade players still be in competative team.

What a joke!

9 players play in a comp well below their standard. Where is the development for them. Didn't you say kids need to play with better players to help them improve.

Gosford were League champions in 15A's last year. There is no way CCFA will allow them to play in, and dominate a B comp.