Round 11 Fixtures & Results

[Bearinator]

f***ing cricket pitches in the middle of a football field, someone tell me this isnt a backwards f***ing country, please. Iv played on plenty of them on the coast, and its f***ing ridiculous. If the powers that be are reading this, for f*** sake, sort it out. Wont somebody please think of the children.

[offtheball]

oziboy said:

Yeah sorry Gevenlock was open !!.
Does anyone know if the 16 "A" girls played at Maidensbrush they were scheduled to play their today. ?

What is the relevance of the 16A Gosford Girls?

Hopefully their coach expressed to the referee that the ground was unsafe and the same result ensued.

No kids should be allowed to play football on an uncovered cricket pitch.

Hilly your comments regarding the quality of A grade games in comparison to lower grade games is laughable.

The higher the age and the higher the grading leads to an increase in intensity and hence a huge increase in the risk of injury.

Perhaps you guys would see no problem with the Mariners having a run on the ground.

Gosford and Tuggerah are two well coached, quality teams, there is very little between them and no love lost as can be seen from the input on this forum. Any games between these two teams have always been full on. I can just imagine a the ramifications of a committed tackle in the middle of a cricket pitch. Multiply that by 20.

[thesandman]

hilly1981 said:

Yeah I would also like to know why a ground would have to be considered 'A' grade playing standard safe to be played on, but ok for lower grades?

Thats a pretty ordinary attitude to have. All players safety is important no matter what the skill level. In all honesty after watching a few of these 'A' games I have seen better quality lower grade games. Some kids are only playing in the top grade because mummy or daddy pulled some strings and got them in the team afterall!

I think some people just need to get their head out of their arse and stop thinking their kid is currently playing for Manchester United or Real Madrid which entitles them to play on better quality pitches than lower grade players.

This doesnt surprise me though coming from the CCF.

IF that is what is said then that comes down to an education issue with the particular referee. I can understand what his point was about the A grade being faster, but it's a bad argument.

CCF have had nothing to do with it.

And, like I said, we don't know the precise reason or other facts of the situation. Nobody here does. I'm a little curious myself, but really there's no point kicking up a stink about it.

As for somebody's comment about plenty of fields having cricket pitches and getting played on week in week out, that means nothing. What matters is how a particular referee judges a particular field at a particular time of day. Field conditions change from week to week, and even over the course of a day - and some referees will also err on the side of caution more than the others.

By the sounds of it I'm guessing the ref had already indicated that he wouldn't be playing the match, the coach rang the referees director (if that is an accurate report of events) hoping to get him to overrule the ref. Nobody has said anything about the referee's director calling the referee - so if the referee's director hasn't had an input, then who cares who spoke to him? The ref then has decided to stick with his guns.

The only bit of interest here is why one match was allowed to go ahead but not another. There could be a few legitimate reasons, but the reason indicated on here was that he felt the faster game would be more problematic on a dodgy pitch. Really I think people are jumping at shadows here, looking at the incident the wrong way, or just getting worked up over nothing.

Was a good game against SEU, good to finally get a win in

[EGGBA]

my "mighty" bullz team managed to throw a very important game away blowing a 1nil lead against the comp leaders we ended up losing 3-1 we were just disgraceful in the 2nd no defense on corners.Having said that the first half we could ov been up by alot more including being deny ed a penalty because the ref overturned his decision because the other team had a cry.I also re stuffed my ankle again.

Just as i cracked a beer and was going to watch the fish and Jimmy's ourimbah boys play against another struggling kanwal team kanwals coach asked me to play so i reluctantly put my beer down put the boots on and got carved up again. I was pretty useless with a sore foot and stuffed from my game but couldn't knock back the chance to play ourimbah won 3nil. wish you played Micky
GREAT CROSS AND GOAL BY JIMMY AND FISH.

[ryan]

Budgie AA7 got a 1-0 win over Kariong

[darren]

Just to clear up the confusion over cricket pitches on Football Fields. There are a couple of grounds on the Central Coast where Concrete cricket pitches sit in the middle. They can be used if completely covered and there is no pretruding concrete. I was telephoned on Saturday afternoon from the ground by the referee and I advised him that if any concrete was showing that the game should not go ahead. The final determination on player safety is left to the indivdual referee.

Darren Sprod
Chairman
Central Coast Footbal Referees Inc.
www.ccfootballref.com.au

[dibo (pron. "DIB-OH")]

darren said:

Just to clear up the confusion over cricket pitches on Football Fields. There are a couple of grounds on the Central Coast where Concrete cricket pitches sit in the middle. They can be used if completely covered and there is no pretruding concrete. I was telephoned on Saturday afternoon from the ground by the referee and I advised him that if any concrete was showing that the game should not go ahead. The final determination on player safety is left to the indivdual referee.

Darren Sprod
Chairman
Central Coast Footbal Referees Inc.
www.ccfootballref.com.au

^^^
what he said.

it should be noted that publicly criticising refs is a bad idea, be it for on-field decisions, their conduct at the ground or decisions like this one relating to the conduct of matches.

put simply, there is much more chance of fixing the problem by approaching the association (football or referees') and dealing with it through those channels.

there are a couple of good reasons why-
* first, if you take it through the channels, you might get a good explanation for why something happened a different way or the powers that be might hear of a problem they were otherwise unaware of. once they know about it they can talk to the official concerned and rectify it for the future.
* second, by publicly criticising you chip away at the integrity of referees as a group. if referees aren't respected and trusted, they can't be expected to command the respect on the park that is required to control and facilitate matches. people need to trust their judgement.
* lastly, (and as a deterrent from ignoring the first two) you create the possibility of sanctions against yourself.

i've reffed a few games in civvies and have only just done a ref's course, and it's a difficult and thankless task before people start questioning your integrity in public, and every public criticism of a referee weighs down on all referees collectively.

just ask omni.

[brett]

dibo said:

just ask omni.

He reffed me on the weekend. Rubbish

[mariners4ever]

thesandman said:

mariners4eva seems to be taking a lot of offence to this referee's decision, considering the decision didn't actually affect him (Aside from him not being able to watch a cracker of a match)...

Hmm, I'm at SEU2 myself......

Terrigal has a pitch next to the field, but with that really hard ground around pitches making it borderline dangerous at times, same as Fagans.

it did actually affect me as i played the game before the A's and i see it as selfish for the CCF to allow my game and many others but still cancel the A's.

as far i am concerned i did NOT see any concrete on the pitch, they're may of been concrete under the dirt that was TRYING to make the pitch level.but they could've easily covered that spot up with dirt/mud

[offtheball]

mariners4ever said:

thesandman said:

mariners4eva seems to be taking a lot of offence to this referee's decision, considering the decision didn't actually affect him (Aside from him not being able to watch a cracker of a match)...

Hmm, I'm at SEU2 myself......

Terrigal has a pitch next to the field, but with that really hard ground around pitches making it borderline dangerous at times, same as Fagans.

it did actually affect me as i played the game before the A's and i see it as selfish for the CCF to allow my game and many others but still cancel the A's.

as far i am concerned i did NOT see any concrete on the pitch, they're may of been concrete under the dirt that was TRYING to make the pitch level.but they could've easily covered that spot up with dirt/mud

I shouldn't try and interpret what Darren is saying, but all cricket pitches on the Coast, other than turf wickets, are concrete based with an artificial grass overlay.

I presume Darren means there should be no portion of the wicket showing, that is artificial grass or concrete.

In years gone by Maidens Brush oval wicket has been covered with soil and rolls of turf. Perhaps the council didn't do it this year because of water restrictions.

If that is the case did they inform CCFA?


Mariners4eva you have changed your tune some what. On Saturday Tuggerah were a bunch of superstar show ponies too precious to play on Maiden's Brush. Now you are worried that you were exposed to danger.

[mariners4ever]

well offtheball, i changed my tune probably after what darren said about the concrete pitches. After the weekends issue the CCF has to really look at what they're going to do about the pitches that have non-turf cricket pitches in the middle.
for an example say if there was maybe 3 or 4 non-turf wickets in the middle of football grounds maybe the CCF should look at changing the venues for those games

[offtheball]

mariners4ever said:

well offtheball, i changed my tune probably after what darren said about the concrete pitches. After the weekends issue the CCF has to really look at what they're going to do about the pitches that have non-turf cricket pitches in the middle.
for an example say if there was maybe 3 or 4 non-turf wickets in the middle of football grounds maybe the CCF should look at changing the venues for those games

Correct! Can't see Maiden's Brush being used again this year. Too late to put turf on top of it.

[mariners4ever]

and if all maidensbrush games get moved than ALL my home games get moved

[Andy]

Here is the updated MAA5 table.

MAA-5
P W D L B GF GA GD PTS
OUR 9 4 3 2 0 27 17 10 15
BER 8 4 3 1 0 17 9 8 15
KIN 8 3 5 0 0 23 13 10 14
AVO 9 4 2 3 0 18 15 3 14
SEU 8 4 1 3 0 16 10 6 13
WOY 8 3 3 2 0 14 11 3 12
TER 9 3 3 3 0 20 20 0 12
TOU 8 2 4 2 0 12 13 -1 10
GOS 8 2 2 4 0 14 19 -5 8
KAN 8 0 0 8 0 2 33 -31 0

[thesandman]

Thanks Andy

Shows how close the ladder is when a team can drop from first to fifth in one week...But disapointing to see that my team only moved up one rank, but then again when you consider there are 3 points separating 1st from 7th...that's still insanely close.

Good to see my team got out of the negatives in GD - we're now on zero. Play Toukley next week, should be a good match.

[offtheball]

Good on you Darren for coming onto this forum and giving everyone an official reason for a decision being made. No further speculation required.

Just an apology to the Tuggerah coach and team from Oziboy and Mariners4ever

[marinermick]

offtheball said:

Good on you Darren for coming onto this forum and giving everyone an official reason for a decision being made. No further speculation required.

Just an apology to the Tuggerah coach and team from Oziboy and Mariners4ever

agreed, it is always appreciated when a senior official from football on the central coast gets on here to give us information

darren, you are welcome any time

[mariners4ever]

as i cannot say sorry in person to the coach i will say it on here:

i'm sorry for all my actions regarding the maidensbrush incident on saturday the 23rd of june

my regards

mariners4ever

[offtheball]

mariners4ever you are a champion!

[mariners4ever]

thank you