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Post by Bearinator on Dec 15, 2005 16:41:52 GMT 10
In my view, if anyone from here goes to either location, they should not be welcomed onto the forum or Bay 16 !! Every 1 is entittled 2 their own opinion, but I believe that comment is a bit harsh. I know by saying this I have contradicted myself, but I dont care ;D |
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Post by lilkwasnik on Dec 15, 2005 20:19:42 GMT 10
well i defineatly won't be there! im going to be in penrith :)yay! but anyways i think its a bit harsh to say that if they go they wont be aloud to go to bay 16 or come on this forum. how long are these riots going to continue for?
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Post by shelleybeach on Dec 16, 2005 3:57:00 GMT 10
all i've seen over here is about white aussies rioting at Cronulla - bashing people of lebanese appearance - there's little about who did what followed, and nothing about a church being burnt down (imagine of that was a mosque), for a while the storey was carried as if the white aussies and not the leb-aussies were reponsible for all the violenc
why is what happened later or at maroubra not a race attack? conclusion = only white people are racist
as for what happended, those people at cronulla must be ashamed, there's no excuse for beating up bystanders just for what they look like, especially 20 on 1 - cowardly. though it was always likely people would snap - if you've lived/ visited certain parts of sydney, namely arncliffe, punchbowl, belmore and lakemba you might have witnessed verbal and physical intimidation or trying going out in the city and meeting the wrong corwd, basically there is a minority of young guys who are outlaws - they laugh at the police who seem too scared to do anything (which after one station was shot up with 100s of rounds by machine gun you would be too - the bloke who did that is now in jail in Beirut by the way) - answer back to them and risk being shot dead as happened with 2 blokes outside that pub at Five Dock a few years ago - and as for all the new terror laws, what a load of shite, if someone whacks someone around the head with a baseball bat or has an unlicenced handgun that is already a CRIME - the police already have the power to arrest them they just need to do it.
as for the coast - there's been loads of leb-aussies at the entrance in summer for years and the worst that has ever happened has been a punch up - more to do with alcohol/ hormones than race, so although the racist stuff at cronulla is wrong, to me race is not the main factor - it is the ongoing criminality of a hard core minority of young leb-aussies who respect no one
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Post by shelleybeach on Dec 16, 2005 3:58:51 GMT 10
by the way that email about ANZACs was just rubbish - on a more selfish viewpoint, will football benefit next NRL season after the Bulldogs play Cronulla/ Roosters/Manly?
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Post by dibo (pron. "DIB-OH") on Dec 16, 2005 9:28:17 GMT 10
i think there are ongoing hard-core criminal elements all over the place regardless of ethnicity - look at macquarie fields, the bra boys, the city of newcastle ;D
when attacks are perceived to be motivated by race (as they certainly appeared to be on sunday), then the likelihood of revenge by the 'attacked' group (even members of that community who were not present) skyrockets. why? it's like a threat has been made against all of them. all it takes is a few dickheads (and frankly, of that entire community it is just a few) to go into 'bloody stupid mode' as they've done and the whole thing has the potential to spiral out of control.
i don't see any racial group as at fault here, i see the dickhead factor.
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Post by Ursus on Dec 16, 2005 9:29:39 GMT 10
That's Bondi.  |
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Post by omni on Dec 16, 2005 13:42:15 GMT 10
i think there are ongoing hard-core criminal elements all over the place regardless of ethnicity - look at macquarie fields, the bra boys, the city of newcastle ;D when attacks are perceived to be motivated by race (as they certainly appeared to be on sunday), then the likelihood of revenge by the 'attacked' group (even members of that community who were not present) skyrockets. why? it's like a threat has been made against all of them. all it takes is a few dickheads (and frankly, of that entire community it is just a few) to go into 'bloody stupid mode' as they've done and the whole thing has the potential to spiral out of control. i don't see any racial group as at fault here, i see the dickhead factor. I think the Alcohol factor is added into the DH factor. |
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Post by Bearinator on Dec 16, 2005 21:10:26 GMT 10
The whole "dickhead factor" that people keep talking about is very hard for me to understand. Try, if you will, to imagine seeing a mate of yours getting the SHIT kicked out of him by a bunch of "ethnics", whilst you are being held down, powerless to help, the reason for this attack being that you are on "their" train station. Thats it. Its very hard to like a group of people after witnessing something like this. Then imagine that you are an angry, resentful prick, and understand how hard it is to forget something like this. 10 point if you can guess who this story is about. Before you reply, and before you go calling all the people from last Sunday "dickheads", just think about things from someone elses point of view. Someone, say, like the person from the above story. Are they all still "dickheads"  |
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Post by dibo (pron. "DIB-OH") on Dec 16, 2005 21:46:23 GMT 10
and i've never seen an 'aussie' (we're all bloody aussies, or nobody is but for the original inhabitants of the land and the rest of us are blow-ins) dickhead either, nor seen somebody get territorial over what they consider to be 'their patch'...
i'm not by any means defending those actions. that is absolutely wrong. but to blame the entire cultural group for the actions of dickheads is not the answer.
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Post by Fish on Dec 16, 2005 21:55:53 GMT 10
It was said at the start of this thread that we shouldnt really go near this guys so lets not its safe to assume we all have varying opinions and on this matter in particular I dont care for anyones to be honest
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