New chant?

[brett]

Fill from the front.

[Bearinator]

wyomingtiger said:

Fill from the front.

Finally, people are starting to see the light.
The view is not bad from the front. Its not good either, granted, but we NEED/MUST go forwards 1st. If more people join us at the front, and some people stay at the back, the "gap" of sitting people in between will slowly disperse.

[Jeff (LouMacari)]

Mick, your quote of:
I am sure we can find a more conciliatory way of getting the message across to them about being in Bay 16...
Great idea Mick...and your suggestions are?

And the other quote of:
Instead of turning them away or humiliating them let's use this thread for constructive ideas on how to educate them on what being in Bay 16 is about
Away you go then Mick, lets hear em...

Bikini girl:
valid points (sorry if I conveyed any idea that you HAVE to be in bay 16 to be hard core, not what I meant. Good on you for eductating those around you in the 'yellow' dept.
You mentioned that we were outsung by cove and shed because of their better 'unity'...agreed! Did you notice any 'red' shirts amongst the cove?....no? How about any 'black' shirts amongst the glory boys? No?... I rest my case!
A 'reserved' style seating for 16 as you mentioned has been discussed with stadium, core members and mariners fc, and is ongoing.

DJ:
I agree with both you and Mick on the issue of some of the teenies being our future supporters and think that it's extremely healthy for our club and our sport in general to see so many young kids down the front embrassing it and that is to be encouraged.
But you miss my point, I'm not talking about them, I'm talking about those who purposely sit (and I mean 'SIT' ) in the same spots, not singing or participating, wearing their goth black or equivalent, for whatever reason.

All the flyers and forum posts etc HAVE NOT WORKED , but some of the chants for them DID work.

I appologise for my 'f*** em' attitude, not perhaps 'progressive' but thats the passion for this topic coming out in me.

When is someone (or at least the majority) going to stop saying 'we agree that something must be done...' and have the balls to actually DO something?

Once again, minority power and political correctness will hinder our progress.....IMO

[DJ]

Forgive me if I'm wrong but I thought at the start of the season we wanted to see people come into the bay and see the supporters group grow, IMO this has happened and now that it has some people don't like it.

www.marinators.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=208&Itemid=5

The first step of getting people there is the hard part, a lot of them are now wearing yellow, lets now work on the atmosphere and more importantly the fun!

[thesandman]

The problem is, nobody wants to be the ONLY person in their area who's singing...especially with the 'too cool to try' teenagers......

Unfortunately I wasn't in the vicinity of bay 16 last match, I was up near halfway (I'll try and make sure that doesn't happen again ), but I think somebody said we had a few right up the front trying to lead....did that encourage any of the others who are normally quiet to actually open up and sing?

[alicia]

bearinator said:

wyomingtiger said:

Fill from the front.

Finally, people are starting to see the light.

Heaven's above ..... I've been saying that for months.

[Melsy]

thesandman said:

but I think somebody said we had a few right up the front trying to lead....did that encourage any of the others who are normally quiet to actually open up and sing?

I know it encouraged ppl to stand as you can't see past 3 rows of ppl Standing in front of you, as for singing i think having ppl up the front that know the songs helped alot. But i also feel that the ones that are siting are not interested in the game they are only interested in catching up with friends (their loss and Bay 16 Loss).

[honey soy]

The Marinators have always done a great job of being all inclusive. Its part of our identity.

Getting more active participation in Bay 16 is coming along nicely, I think.
A volunteer based group will usually achieve goals slowly. You guys are doing what you can with what time and resources are available and doing a fine job.

At the moment standing in front of people in Bay 16 is working well. Brett's two minute chant was excellent, too.
The guys that are organising these initiatives are doing a great job and we will continue to support them.

I don't think we should be discouraged if new ideas don't work wonders straight away. It may take some people a bit longer than us to become involved.

[alicia]

melinda said:

thesandman said:

but I think somebody said we had a few right up the front trying to lead....did that encourage any of the others who are normally quiet to actually open up and sing?

I know it encouraged ppl to stand as you can't see past 3 rows of ppl Standing in front of you, as for singing i think having ppl up the front that know the songs helped alot. But i also feel that the ones that are siting are not interested in the game they are only interested in catching up with friends (their loss and Bay 16 Loss).

I think it was good. When tiger, dibo etc started down the front, Golden Boy and Perm took lead up the back. Honey Soy and I followed suit and others behind us (apologies, I don't remember some names / faces so don't get offended that I didn't name you) joined in. The row in front of us joined in and we got some kind of chanting going.

[marinermick]

jazzman said:

Mick, your quote of:
I am sure we can find a more conciliatory way of getting the message across to them about being in Bay 16...
Great idea Mick...and your suggestions are?

And the other quote of:
Instead of turning them away or humiliating them let's use this thread for constructive ideas on how to educate them on what being in Bay 16 is about
Away you go then Mick, lets hear em..

I was trying to turn this thread into ways we could be more inclusive not exclusive.

As you and others stand in Bay 16 week in week out you are more a better judge of what has worked and what has not.

But if you want a suggestion (may be totally way off the mark) here goes:

To talk to these people in an open and friendly way. Ask why they come to Bay 16 and what they think about the marinators. What is their opinion on what the marinators do well and we they could improve. After all this ask why they don't wear yellow to games, stand up or participate in chants. Let them know that this is what the Marinators are trying to achieve and that it really is a necessity that everyone in the bay participates.

Will be a bit of work because it is more complicated than the "read this flyer or get lost" approach.

Maybe make it a mission for five or six marinators to get to a percentage of non-particpants at given game?

[Perm]

im sure these people who refuse to stand n sing will tire of this and move. or they will eventually click to the merits of supporting such a great team as the mariners and belonging to the Marinators.
i know lou its hard and i agree that we should be steps further than what we are right now. but i guess that takes time seein the coasty attitude exists in our bay (too cool, join in when my mates do etc)
positive ways about this are the goer as negative ways are turning off some of the more devoted rather than the brat pack that should take on the message we are giving.

i think we are doing a great job so far in terms of atmosphere, and we are still getting great reports from media (how many times have i heard commentators say how good it is to see us going so well!?)

[Jeff (LouMacari)]

I was trying to turn this thread into ways we could be more inclusive not exclusive.
You don't think we've been trying to 'include' them in the culture of bay16?

To talk to these people in an open and friendly way. Ask why they come to Bay 16 and what they think about the marinators. What is their opinion on what the marinators do well and we they could improve. After all this ask why they don't wear yellow to games, stand up or participate in chants. Let them know that this is what the Marinators are trying to achieve and that it really is a necessity that everyone in the bay participates.
Thats a great idea, and actually more my style. Which is why I have done it. Now granted I haven't spoken to all of them, but enough of them to get an idea of their mindset.
Why don't they wear yellow to the games?....answer..'its gay'
why don' they sing the chants?...same answer
Why do they come?...'its the place to be. To catch up etc'
Why don't they 'catch up' in another bay?....answer...'the other bays are gay'

Will be a bit of work because it is more complicated than the "read this flyer or get lost" approach.
Give me the names of whoever has said that Mick and I'll have a chat with them.

Maybe make it a mission for five or six marinators to get to a percentage of non-particpants at given game?
I think you'll find that a vast number of marinators have been doing that for some time now!
Won't stop us from continuing to try, just frustrating, thats all.

Tiger mentioned some time ago that our 'mission' to fill the bay was actually accomplished (pretty much) and it was now time to 'educate' those who we have encouraged to come. I agree, we've succeeded, but apparently we are not allowed to use chants to educate them?

[thesandman]

melinda said:

thesandman said:

but I think somebody said we had a few right up the front trying to lead....did that encourage any of the others who are normally quiet to actually open up and sing?

I know it encouraged ppl to stand as you can't see past 3 rows of ppl Standing in front of you, as for singing i think having ppl up the front that know the songs helped alot. But i also feel that the ones that are siting are not interested in the game they are only interested in catching up with friends (their loss and Bay 16 Loss).

I think you're more likely to sing if you're standing - and if everybody around you is not singing, you won't sing. That's why usually nobody at the front sings, because nobody ELSE sings. Same with bay 15...but anyway.

The ones that get sick of the standing in front will either stand or move to another bay. If they don't want to include themselves in the revelry nothing we say will change that, and it won't be a loss to bay 16 to have the quiet stubborn sitters relocate to another bay, even if it's just the next bay across.

It makes sense that having a few major singers standing up the front would elicit more of a response, that's where the conductors need to be anyway, IMO.

If there's people around the young'uns singing, they'll be more likely to sing, IMO, because they won't stand out as much as they will if nobody directly around them is singing - and that's what people tend to be scared shitless of

[Jeff (LouMacari)]

I think I've said enough on this topic now, but yes, I agree that those marinators that moved down the front to stand and chant have an impact and kudos must go to them, because they have sacrificed a slightly better view from further up the bay in an effort to get everyone unified.

[marinermick]

afrosean said:

i know lou its hard and i agree that we should be steps further than what we are right now. but i guess that takes time seein the coasty attitude exists in our bay (too cool, join in when my mates do etc)

i have seen this coastie attitude with the coast unigames teams i have taken away

while the other unis wear their team uniforms out every night all our uni wanted to do was to dress up in nightclub gear even though they were going to the pub

even on the nights i made certain items of team uniforms compulsory they did things like zip jackets over the team shirt or hide them in different ways

i don't know if it is the surf culture but you also see the reluctance to embrace the team colours at jets games

on the other hand people just might be too embarssed to wear the pish newcastle colours

[Jeff (LouMacari)]

marinermick said:

........

i don't know if it is the surf culture but you also see the reluctance to embrace the team colours at jets games

on the other hand people just might be too embarssed to wear the pish newcastle colours

Just the mention of 'pish' newcastle colours...

[alicia]

jazzman said:

marinermick said:

........

i don't know if it is the surf culture but you also see the reluctance to embrace the team colours at jets games

on the other hand people just might be too embarssed to wear the pish newcastle colours

Just the mention of 'pish' newcastle colours...

I think some of it is also the attitude of "I'm an individual, and so are all my friends"

[dru]

jazzman said:

I think I've said enough on this topic now, but yes, I agree that those marinators that moved down the front to stand and chant have an impact and kudos must go to them, because they have sacrificed a slightly better view from further up the bay in an effort to get everyone unified.

but we've gain so much room, and we all know I take up a lot! ;D forget the 1 person per seat rule 1 person per 1.5 seats

[dibo (pron. "DIB-OH")]

dru said:

jazzman said:

I think I've said enough on this topic now, but yes, I agree that those marinators that moved down the front to stand and chant have an impact and kudos must go to them, because they have sacrificed a slightly better view from further up the bay in an effort to get everyone unified.

but we've gain so much room, and we all know I take up a lot! ;D forget the 1 person per seat rule 1 person per 1.5 seats

i love the extra room (though in a good sign of things to come, that was getting pretty tight on sunday and we were only a couple of rows from the front), and quite frankly i reckon the difference in view is pretty miniscule when you're not peering over shoulders and through clapping hands etc (probably less of an issue for me than the missus), and i get a buzz out of seeing you all rocking the bay from the front. only prob is i keep having to watch the game over my shoulder! ;D

the people who don't stand and sing at the moment will either join in or move on in their own sweet time. filling more towards the front will help no end, maybe dropping a couple of pretty loud people right in the middle to kinda break into that little vortex-like songkilling hole in the middle would also help, but also really working on getting 'actions' to chants, even as simple as "when you're clapping, clap above your head!!!" because then you can see those who aren't singing and give them a bit of a gee-up.

i'm liking the fact that we're getting a little bit imaginative and inventive with songs and stuff as well, we should maybe designate a song a week as the "new" song that we have to try to get up for the first time. keep em simple and easy to learn, and we'll just keep building and building.

when i mentioned above that the room is even crowding up down the front of the bay, what i should mention is that i think that's because more stand and singers are coming over. they're standing with us, learning the songs, and getting stuck in. it's maybe 10 (conservative estimate) a game, and that's just the ones that come during the match. they come back the next week with mates, growing our numbers, and then another 10 or so come over. that's why it's always more chockers when i come back with beers after half time than when i come back early in the game - there's the noobs coming over to give it a go. this growth will hopefully just go on and on.

for the non standing, non singing types in the aby, i agree with encouragement, i absolutely don't agree with abuse. if we encourage (and surround) them, they're far more likely to join in, and have a blast. if we berate and abuse them, they're more likely to bugger off and not come back. singing or not, i'd rather see them put their hands in their pockets to come to the games than not.

we'll get there, and we're a fair way down the track now. we've basically got a full bay going, and the coordination is getting better by the week. i think we're louder than ever, let's keep going the way we are.

[greenpoleffc]

Forceful peer pressure does not necessarily equal abuse.

They all wear the same dreary emo shit (so they can be individuals) so I am sure they will respond well to peer pressure :-).

Good natured but pointed songs should get the message across.