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Post by keensy on Dec 12, 2006 17:06:04 GMT 10
I think we need to worry about getting bay 16 right first before we worry too much about 15. 16 still has so many non singers who situate themselves right in the middle of the bay.
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Post by greenpoleffc on Dec 12, 2006 17:07:56 GMT 10
Peer pressure and significant abuse should cure that :-) Maybe people who will sing need to get to the ground an hour before. The minute the gates opened last week, there were a lot of the non yellow wearers dashing for good seats in 16
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Post by keensy on Dec 12, 2006 17:31:52 GMT 10
i Still rekon people should be moving towards front of the bay like some of us have. Just flood the middle of the bay where alot of them seem to position themselves
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Post by Jeff (LouMacari) on Dec 12, 2006 18:02:56 GMT 10
the chants of 'stand up or move' type of thing was working and will work. We need to get another couple of chants with the theme of 'where's your yellow?' ...believe me, some teenage guy trying to be cool in front of his girlfriends aint gonna be able to handle that and the girls are not going to be able to stand the spotlight either.
Won't take long and unfortunate that its come to this but if we (the majority...including people sitting in other parts of the stadium) want to see our target of 'Sea of Yellow'...it must be done!
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Post by northernspirit on Dec 12, 2006 18:26:29 GMT 10
perhaps the vocal members should get their earlier to ensure these randoms dont take up those positions, not easy cos i dont know about u lot but i like going for a drink before the game  |
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Post by wok on Dec 12, 2006 21:21:54 GMT 10
i know we've touched on this before, but i would like to see the names of chants written on cardboard, to be held up the front of the bay so everyone can see what chant to sing, and under each chant we write how long to sing it for. e.g. YELLOW ARMY 3 min. the main problem we had against perth was that the bay was not unified, we had one chant up the front, another up the back, and nothing in the middle because they werent sure what chant to sing.
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Post by Perm on Dec 12, 2006 21:42:09 GMT 10
i agree with you lou, but i think there is a line that we cant cross.
we shouldnt use force on these people and subject them to chants like such. im getting feedback from alot of people that DO wear yellow and DO sing, that they dont like the forcing of people to do this and we have to watch how we come across to the brand new person to football whos just heard about the mariners and the marinators and wants to suss it out.
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Post by Perm on Dec 12, 2006 21:45:45 GMT 10
remember also that not everyone in the bay is as football savy as most on this forum, and do not know what is required in a football supporter bay.
alot of people are still used to their Rugby League at the stadium and their shitty northern eagles, a game designed so you can watch it seated its that shit. it should be called tv ball seeing thats the best way to watch it.
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Post by Jeff (LouMacari) on Dec 12, 2006 23:29:27 GMT 10
disagree completely Perm. These people are NOT " the brand new person to football whos just heard about the mariners and the marinators and wants to suss it out." as you say. The 'brand new person to football' doesn't sit in bay 16, they sit on the sides or 'near' bay 16 and ask me after the game, why don't some of the 'hard core' supporters get into it...we saw quite a few not wearing yellow and just sitting there!' They DO know what the go is and CONTINUALLY turn up to bay 16, DON'T stand up, DON'T wear yellow and sometimes even have the nerve to tell people in bay 16 to 'sit down up the front!' !!! WTF? I repeat, we must keep the chants up otherwise we won't get anywhere. If they finally get offended by being 'chanted at' week after week and don't bother coming back, GOOD! f*** em. Honeymoon is over as far as I'm concerned and I'll be starting the chants when I can. (end of rant)  |
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Post by greenpoleffc on Dec 12, 2006 23:47:23 GMT 10
Top rant - F.em. If you go to bay 16 you conform to the majority.
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Post by Perm on Dec 13, 2006 0:13:21 GMT 10
alot of the people, the majority, in the bay are not new to the marinators yes. but theyre very new to the subculture which is a supporter group, so still alot have no idea
what passion and flair is required.
there are still shitloads of the newbies
wasnt particularly dealing with them but just with the fact of forcing people with what to do? its their choice if they want to join in and we ahve to be careful that we dont cross the border as a bunch of forceful nuts.
alot might get sick of it and think the fun has gone and its just a chore.
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Post by Spike on Dec 13, 2006 7:53:45 GMT 10
While we don't want to come across as a draconion regiment in bay 16, somehow it has to be known that Bay 16 is for yellow and chanting.
I can damn nearly garuntee you that that bunch of teeny's who sit in the middle know perfectly well what is going on around them, and it confuses the hell out of me why they continue to sit there when they know whats going to happen. They are just trying to be cool and show off in front of one another. I think now it's come to the point when humiliation by chant is one of our few remaining options. Feel free to go and ask them to start singing, and see what happens. Nothing. Week in, week out.
The fun hasnt gone. Its still alive and well. I think that will only increase when the bay is full of yellow wearing, scarf twirling, loud-arse chanters and completely devoid of the sitters, who in my opinion are the ones who suck the fun out of it.
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Post by DJ on Dec 13, 2006 8:08:16 GMT 10
Bay 16 is not the Marinators bay, it's GA, and is where we decide to stand on game days. The sign at the back of the bay says Supporters bay, how people choose to support their team is up to them. In an ideal world everyone chants and wears the clubs colours, as annoying as it is seeing arseholes not caring for the game or the supporters group we have to accept that they have a right to be there.
Yes we can sing things like sing up, stand up, etc etc but as Perm said we still need to be careful with how we approach it. Whose to say some of these younger guys won't join the group and be involved in a larger way in the future? If we piss them off will they come back?
Are people in bay 16 for the view or for the atmosphere it creates?
Why don't all the people who wanna stand together and sing move to another bay for 1 game and see how it goes? Then the core group of noise makers can be near eachother?
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Post by Jeff (LouMacari) on Dec 13, 2006 8:13:27 GMT 10
"....alot might get sick of it and think the fun has gone and its just a chore.[/i}" I say again...f*** em! If they are new to the sub-culture then its up to us to educate them, we've tried speaking with them (in a very nice way, which is recieved with the usual neanderthalic teeenage glaze) we've tried the flyers (which get screwed up and laughed at) so now its time for more drastic action!
Your way is the kind of 'nice' talk that went on last season, and here we are towards the end of the second season STILL trying to get people to wear yellow! WTF?
People can wear what they want in the rest of the stadium but bay 16 is supposed to be 'A Sea of Yellow"...not, 'a sea of yellow with some pockets of goth black' ! have we forgotten that?
With the success of the mariners last year and now this year, and with the fantastic relationship the club has with the coast, by now we should be working on calling bays 13 - 19 'The Bay' (an eventual reality folks)...let alone 16!
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Post by Jeff (LouMacari) on Dec 13, 2006 8:24:37 GMT 10
Bay 16 is not the Marinators bay, it's GA, and is where we decide to stand on game days. The sign at the back of the bay says Supporters bay, how people choose to support their team is up to them. In an ideal world everyone chants and wears the clubs colours, as annoying as it is seeing arseholes not caring for the game or the supporters group we have to accept that they have a right to be there. Yes we can sing things like sing up, stand up, etc etc but as Perm said we still need to be careful with how we approach it. Whose to say some of these younger guys won't join the group and be involved in a larger way in the future? If we piss them off will they come back? Are people in bay 16 for the view or for the atmosphere it creates? Why don't all the people who wanna stand together and sing move to another bay for 1 game and see how it goes? Then the core group of noise makers can be near eachother? DJ, you were there in the early days when we ALL had the vision of 'Sea of Yellow'... and OUR sign at the top of the scaffold says so! The 'supporters' sign that you speak of is put there by the stadium, the same stadium which, agrees that the pockets of teeny boppers are dramatically reducing the effect of the 'infamous' bay 16 and are behind us to do what we need to do to make sure that we achieve what we originally set out to achieve. I know the mariners view, to fill the seats with whoever they can, regardless, So lets not upset the teenies. Well with that attitude (no control, or guidelines or rules) we will end up with a supporters group like melbourne, QLD, or Scum with many many more dickheads doing whatever they want cause they know that no one is going to say anything to them for fear of 'upsetting them' Bay 16 isn't the only GA area in the ground DJ. Bay 16 is now and always has been, for the hard core, yellow wearing, chanting, scarf waving, hard core mariners fan. At least thats how WE all saw it 18 months ago |
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Post by Spike on Dec 13, 2006 8:49:44 GMT 10
Top post LouMacari. I agree wholeheartedly.
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Post by marinermick on Dec 13, 2006 9:02:36 GMT 10
I am sure we can find a more conciliatory way of getting the message across to them about being in Bay 16 rather than straight out abuse.
As was mentioned previously, they are in Bay 16 because they want to be part of the atmosphere. They are definitely not newbies.
If they want to be in Bay 16 it probably means they are one step away from being an active member because they have already made the first step.
As was stated they are the people we need for future growth. Teenie boppers think they are too cool to go all the way and join in 100%, but give them a few years and when they mature they could be welcome additions and add enthusiasm when it inevitably wanes.
Instead of turning them away or humiliating them let's use this thread for constructive ideas on how to educate them on what being in Bay 16 is about, and if they are not willing to take that extra step then educating them on alternatives like Bay 14 or Bay 16.
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Post by bikinigirl on Dec 13, 2006 9:55:25 GMT 10
this thread seems to have become about crowd control in bay 16, but anyway i'll join in:
. i think the sub-culture is an important note. i don't sit in the bay as i actually enjoy watching the game (halfway, elevated ... awesome)
. doesn't mean i am not a hardcore fan and continually scream my tits off for the boys
. the chants may be funny, entertaining and sound awesome if you are in amongst it but rarely are they heard (to be adopted) elsewhere in the stadium
. occassionally you can hear 'we are the mariners' and 'yellow army' (or uncle lawrie's yellow army) but they stop too soon
. often people in the other bays stop making noise to try and listen to what the marinators are singing and then the whole mood changes because they don't actually know or the chant stops
. there are only two chants i have heard from the general populous they are 'mariners (clap, clap, clap)' and 'lets go mariners' [which is far too netball for me]
. if you want people to adopt songs throughout the stadium keep it simply and it has to keep going for a long time especially when the tension starts to build, often as someone said this is when things die down because the game gets interesting - sorry but the game is always interesting
. although it may not seem like it in the bay, the last two weeks IMO the marinators have been outsung by the cove and the shed - not necessarily more noise, but they are more unified and even if all the words can't be made out, the tune is imposing (& i do sit in the east so these guys are further away too)
. my advice to involve more people is use the KISS principle and keep it going
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Post by bikinigirl on Dec 13, 2006 10:07:12 GMT 10
with regard to weeding out the so called undesirables from the bay:
. the idea of being the epicentre of noise obviously has merit
. maybe you do need to cut your drinking short to get the seats you want - that is what general admission is all about (and what's wrong with watching the guys warm up)
. yellow should be worn by everybody not just those in the bay (something i have had recent success with for those around me)
. maybe you need to think longer term (maybe next season)and address this issue with the club/stadium (if you have not already) - would you be prepared to pay a little more for reserved seating in the bay. i know my seat is always there waiting for me, because that is what i am paying for
. perhaps the club is willing to take expressions of interest now for reserved seats in the bay which could be vetted by the marinators before they are accepted
. if the idea builds you can set up your core in the middle of the bay and radiate outwards
. using EOI & vetting applicants for next season will not change the ticketting structure until next season and may avoid all these problems in the future
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Post by DJ on Dec 13, 2006 11:47:29 GMT 10
Bay 16 is not the Marinators bay, it's GA, and is where we decide to stand on game days. The sign at the back of the bay says Supporters bay, how people choose to support their team is up to them. In an ideal world everyone chants and wears the clubs colours, as annoying as it is seeing arseholes not caring for the game or the supporters group we have to accept that they have a right to be there. Yes we can sing things like sing up, stand up, etc etc but as Perm said we still need to be careful with how we approach it. Whose to say some of these younger guys won't join the group and be involved in a larger way in the future? If we piss them off will they come back? Are people in bay 16 for the view or for the atmosphere it creates? Why don't all the people who wanna stand together and sing move to another bay for 1 game and see how it goes? Then the core group of noise makers can be near eachother? DJ, you were there in the early days when we ALL had the vision of 'Sea of Yellow'... and OUR sign at the top of the scaffold says so! The 'supporters' sign that you speak of is put there by the stadium, the same stadium which, agrees that the pockets of teeny boppers are dramatically reducing the effect of the 'infamous' bay 16 and are behind us to do what we need to do to make sure that we achieve what we originally set out to achieve. I know the mariners view, to fill the seats with whoever they can, regardless, So lets not upset the teenies. Well with that attitude (no control, or guidelines or rules) we will end up with a supporters group like melbourne, QLD, or Scum with many many more dickheads doing whatever they want cause they know that no one is going to say anything to them for fear of 'upsetting them' Bay 16 isn't the only GA area in the ground DJ. Bay 16 is now and always has been, for the hard core, yellow wearing, chanting, scarf waving, hard core mariners fan. At least thats how WE all saw it 18 months ago Of course Bay 16 isn't the only GA area, but if they want to stand there they have a right to! They have paid the same amount of money as me, you, fish, Tiger and Perm etc. We can't go abusing people, yes I was there from the very first day and a vision of a sea of yellow was there, seeing bay 16 full every game and 95% yellow now is awesome! As Mick said, these people have made the first step lets think of positive approaches to make a difference rather than negative 1's like f*** 'em! If we adopt that attitude we will never grow IMO. |
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