Supporter scarf - Marinators Side

[northernspirit]

Everyone happy to keep it like this for the other side?

Bear in mind:
The design needs to be similar to the "yellow army" side to avoid colour clashes in the production process.

[DJ]

Looks good to me - could even lose the smaller marinators logo in the blue section IMO, that would be 6 logo's on the 1 scarf! A few too many I think.



Edit - in saying that thou you would probably need to lose them on both if you do that

[Grunta]

I agree, looks great but possibly too many logo's

[northernspirit]

agreed re: flags plus theyre a little small on the ends

[greenpoleffc]

Top stuff, I reckon a yellow tshirt with the skull and crossbones on the front and yellow army on the back would look great too.

Will you want pre orders or do a run and see how you go?? Dont want to miss out

[shelleybeach]

these look great, with or without flags -good effort

[northernspirit]

DJ will be taking care of the pre-orders, we will try and organise a sample first and post up photos

[Adz]

What sort of costs are we looking at to get these made?

[northernspirit]

adz: pm to DJ he has all the figures worked out so far

[Rowdy]

northernspirit said:

Everyone happy to keep it like this for the other side?

Bear in mind:
The design needs to be similar to the "yellow army" side to avoid colour clashes in the production process.

NS, this MARINATOR side of the scarf is exactly, well 'nearly' what I would have done if i had the time to learn how to whip up these designs.



I'm with DJ, the little marinator flags and 'marinators.net' in the blue boxes on the ends look odd & distract from the horizontal flow of the scarf as they're perpendicular. We have a massive banner that reads "marinators.net.au", having it in teeny weeny font on the ends isn't going to market our website any more efficiently than what the banner will.

Would it be possible for you put up on here another version of this design where these 'little' flags and the 'marinators .net' on the ends are removed and replace it with just a "16" in block font same as the text thats horizontal as well.

Now I know a lot of people have mentioned that we want support to spread across the entire end of the Bay, and that we need to 'get away' from the "16" , claiming it will distract from growing further support behind the goals.

But the truth is "16" is where it all started. The 'core' group of fanatical support was born there and has continued to grow, from there. "16" is where that core group still choose to watch the game, raise money for the 'Bay of 16", organise banners & tiffo for the 'Bay of 16'. In fact it will be these same people of 'Bay 16" that will ultimately sell and distribute these very flags that we're deciding on.

And who will buy these scarves? the majority of them will be sold to people who choose to be in 'Bay 16'

Sure those that choose to sit in other area's of 'the tongue' will want to purchase and own one of these scarves, like they did with the x2 versions of Marinator shirts that we created and sold, but remember that they too had the "16" on the back of them and they could be seen in the stands. These people bought them knowing that they weren't going to sit in "16", they bought them I believe because they had an 'affinity' with 'us' the people of 'Bay 16" and what were about.

I think that we're blessed that the stadium actually numbered the bay "16" and then logically, being the middle and behind the goals, allocated us that particular bay from the get go.

Blessed I here you say? Well I know that when I go to support the Mariners week in week out that Lawrie writes down "16" names onto a team sheet and hands it to the fourth official to let him know that this is the 'team' that is going out to do battle that day.

So "16" to me has always been a double edged sword. To prove my point our very own Meggsi as a matter of fact requested, that's right asked the FFA to be given the "16" number when he lined up for the socceroo's in the world cup.

So why lose that tradition that surrounds the number of "16" Embrace it, Love it - like I do. I'd hate to see us constantly change things 'year after year', like logo's, font's etc.

The shirts are a good example. No disrespect to the people who organised them, fcuk they're my mates, but if a third version was to come out I'd have to decline in buying one, only because there would be multiple 'versions' of a shirt, with sponsors, some with-out, giving no 'uniformity' of what I'm trying to be a part of.

Hell, some of these same mates don't even wear their MARINATORS shirt, either version and I haven't seen them in them for quite some time. I've had one even say he's ashamed to wear his shirt but, that's another thread.

"16" means so much to me that the next 'shirt' I'm buying is an official Mariners HAL jersey as worn by the player's. I could live with the current Central Coast logo on the front only because it's the home of my team, but I want one without the current 'REBEL' on the back and there's a bloody good reason for not wanting a black and white rebel on it.

All I want on the back of my jersey is the same as what Meggsi had on his, "16" and "ROWDY' & I want THE "16" for exactly the same reason he did, to pay homage to 'Bay 16", for what it is, what it stands for and most importantly FOR WHERE IT ALL STARTED.

So how about it NS, can we have one of these thrown into the mix to see what others think, it's easier to like or dislike something if you can actually see it. cheers.

[DJ]

adz said:

What sort of costs are we looking at to get these made?

Still getting a few quotes, if anyone knows of anyone let me know and I'll chase them up?

Costs thou like with anything will be based around how many we order, the more we get the cheaper per unit.

Oh and regarding having 'BAY 16' or whatever on the ends, I'm happy to go with the flow, my feelings have already been posted on having those smaller Marinator logos and I think most people know I'm not the biggest fan ;D, having Bay 16 on the ends will be ok IMO as I understand where Roddy is coming from, Bay 16 is where is all started.

[Rowdy]

DJ, might B worth PM'n Jazza from Syd FC who's on here a bit. He might be able to put you in contact with their supplier for the COVE scarves they had made.

He or others from Cove could give you some 'heads -up' on 'cost's for so many units' before actually ringing their supplier thatway you'd have the upper hand when bargaining for a good deal with the supplier.

[northernspirit]

rowdy i know where ur going with the 16 which is good in theory i just fear alot of people wont know what 16 even means, what about fans that sit on the sidelines who go every week but dont sit in bay 16?

i just think we should be encouraging everyone not just one section - although having said that i cant think of anything else to put in that blue space either lol

[Rowdy]

People who sit on the 'sidelines' at Mariners games are NOT Marinators, they are fans/supporters of the Mariners. There's a big difference.

The Marinators are a collective group of people who choose to support the CCMFC in an entirely different way to that of other people who also choose to go through the turnstiles.

As I previously stated, like the 10-20 or so that bought Marinator shirts in the past, some wannabe's, some not, they still chose to watch from the 'sidelines/stand' and good on them for supporting "US", the Marinators because that's what they were doing when they bought the shirt off us.

And they bought that shirt with the word 'Marinators' on the front and the number "16" on the back, with the full knowing of what both meant and what it stood for.

As for "fearing that people wont know what 16 even means", the scarf isn't for those that don't know what it means it's for the people who do! The same could be said about the word MARINATORS, there are people that go to the game & don't have a clue who we are or what marinator means. Does that mean we should not have that on the scarf as well

Don't get me wrong here, I'm all for 'encouraging everyone' to support the team, but like those that bought shirts from us in the past 'because they liked the look of them or whatever' they eventually figured out or asked why the '16' was on the back, yet they still sat in the stands because that's where they wanted to be.

The COVE use the number "23", which signifies where that supporter group was founded & evolved from, to the extent that now they take up some 6 bays around "23". Ask any Sydney FC fan that sit's on the sidelines or up in corporate boxes for that matter and I'm sure 1 in 5 could tell you what the "23" means on the backs of COVERS exiting Aussie stadium.

In fact a lot of people who use this forum and will/have voted on these designs don't even sit in the Bay, 14-15-16-17 or 18. but all would agree that 16 is were it started, so why hide the fact?

[mariners4ever]

love the design and cant wait till we can buy the scarves

[northernspirit]

rowdyroddy said:

People who sit on the 'sidelines' at Mariners games are NOT Marinators, they are fans/supporters of the Mariners. There's a big difference.

The Marinators are a collective group of people who choose to support the CCMFC in an entirely different way to that of other people who also choose to go through the turnstiles.

As I previously stated, like the 10-20 or so that bought Marinator shirts in the past, some wannabe's, some not, they still chose to watch from the 'sidelines/stand' and good on them for supporting "US", the Marinators because that's what they were doing when they bought the shirt off us.

And they bought that shirt with the word 'Marinators' on the front and the number "16" on the back, with the full knowing of what both meant and what it stood for.

As for "fearing that people wont know what 16 even means", the scarf isn't for those that don't know what it means it's for the people who do! The same could be said about the word MARINATORS, there are people that go to the game & don't have a clue who we are or what marinator means. Does that mean we should not have that on the scarf as well

Don't get me wrong here, I'm all for 'encouraging everyone' to support the team, but like those that bought shirts from us in the past 'because they liked the look of them or whatever' they eventually figured out or asked why the '16' was on the back, yet they still sat in the stands because that's where they wanted to be.

The COVE use the number "23", which signifies where that supporter group was founded & evolved from, to the extent that now they take up some 6 bays around "23". Ask any Sydney FC fan that sit's on the sidelines or up in corporate boxes for that matter and I'm sure 1 in 5 could tell you what the "23" means on the backs of COVERS exiting Aussie stadium.

In fact a lot of people who use this forum and will/have voted on these designs don't even sit in the Bay, 14-15-16-17 or 18. but all would agree that 16 is were it started, so why hide the fact?

i was just thinking about it how a non-marinator fan might see it, but your right it is a scarf for marinators really... im just looking forward to having a kick ass scarf we can all be proud of - especially on away trips, having a reference to bay 16 would be cool in retrospect to reflect on where it all began...

[DJ]

rowdyroddy said:

DJ, might B worth PM'n Jazza from Syd FC who's on here a bit. He might be able to put you in contact with their supplier for the COVE scarves they had made.

He or others from Cove could give you some 'heads -up' on 'cost's for so many units' before actually ringing their supplier thatway you'd have the upper hand when bargaining for a good deal with the supplier.

already have Roddy

[kevrenor]

rowdyroddy said:

People who sit on the 'sidelines' at Mariners games are NOT Marinators, they are fans/supporters of the Mariners. There's a big difference.
[lot snipped]

Rowdy I'm all for opinions but not when they are put as surely as yours that you are solely able to define what a Marinator is and is not! It needs a counter straight away!

You may believe that there are those who 'sit' on the sidelines are not Marinators but you are talking shit!

Marinators can be anywhere in the ground if they passionately support the Mariners and do it vocally and with colour. Most will gather together in the northern stands but others for all sort of reasons do it elsewhere.

Don't twist what is a concept that started at the start of the club, and make it into some Bay 16 narrow mindset! Bay 16 was a start up base for the fans to gather. It should never be seen as all there is!

There are many in Bay 16 who I would not call Marinators and many in say Bay 6 that I do! Some on the sides have been Marinators from the first CWC game and before when it was coined.

In Season 3 we should be moving in our merchandise to widen our horizons, without losing sight of our roots. So I reckon a line of shirts with bay 16 should be among our range, but not on everything. To see the stylish ladies Marinators shirts around the ground last season was excellent.

[Jeff (LouMacari)]

My views on the whole 'bay 16' issue are well documented, but for the record here I also think that we should be moving away from the 'restrictive' 16 side of things and trying to broaden our base.
16 IS where it started and no one is disputing that, but lets move away from any marketing that insinuates that a true marinator is a bay 16 dweller. As Kevrenor said, there are lots in bay 16 that I wouldn't call marinators and plenty around the ground that are.

[bobandbill]

I sit/stand in places all over the ground - including Bay 16. Sure I've only been in Bay 16 three times, but I consider myself a dedicated follower of the Mariners every since that first game against Newcastle which we won on penalties. In fact some of my friends at school say that I take the Mariners too seriously, but that's another story.
Anyway, nice scarf layout - I like it just as it is. Will probably obtain one sooner or later