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Post by northernspirit on Apr 24, 2007 17:12:06 GMT 10
yeah something simple like Club Marinators
would be easier for a logo design too
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Post by Jeff (LouMacari) on Apr 24, 2007 17:49:38 GMT 10
Marinators Club sounds pretty simple to me! Whats the big problemo here?
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Post by dibo (pron. "DIB-OH") on Apr 24, 2007 18:12:34 GMT 10
club marinators - easy
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Post by Adz on Apr 24, 2007 18:20:41 GMT 10
Club Marinators sounds good
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Post by kevrenor on Apr 24, 2007 19:10:54 GMT 10
Marinators Club sounds pretty simple to me! Whats the big problemo here? Since you asked .... Club Marinators or Marinators Club or Friends (an often used name) - that is fine but ''Marinators" by itself is not, such as: a) potentially could alienate those who for various reasons are unable or prefer not to join CCLC, or be part of a structured body. b) narrows the meaning of the term which has been around since May 2005 for anyone who wore yellow and vocally supported the Mariners, esp. in the Bays. c) means that anyone wearing a Marinators shirt, or scarf (from the last 3 years) or claiming to be one, and behaving in a manner we would not want to be associated with - we will be - and that means trouble for us and importantly CCLC. (Being an official body provides risks as well as mitigations). Not representing the club as being all there is to the Marinators leaves an "out''. Just 'cos I'm paranoid doesn't mean "they" will not be out to get us! We saw that danger with the Advocate article. |
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Post by northernspirit on Apr 24, 2007 21:03:15 GMT 10
so what are u suggesting kev?
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Post by DJ on Apr 24, 2007 21:33:51 GMT 10
Marinators works for me, but to try and keep everyone happy 'Marinators Club' works for me too.
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Post by northernspirit on Apr 24, 2007 21:37:39 GMT 10
are we trying to seperate the club from the support side of things or trying to simply formalise the supporter group so its structured - this is all getting confusing, if its just formalising the group then i think just marinators too
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Post by Jeff (LouMacari) on Apr 24, 2007 21:50:33 GMT 10
Yes, I see your point kev but 'marinators' still does it for me! "anyone who wears yellow and claims to be..." aint cutttin it for me, sorry, but I think there is MUCH more to it than that.
I am happy to bow to the majority but as long as we don't get too 'finicky'(sp?) are we or aren't we 'The Marinators' ? and isn't that who we want to be?
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Post by DJ on Apr 24, 2007 21:52:07 GMT 10
are we trying to seperate the club from the support side of things or trying to simply formalise the supporter group so its structured - this is all getting confusing, if its just formalising the group then i think just marinators too calling it 'Marinators' or 'Marinators Club' is basically the same thing IMO I don't know why some people are making it complicated it's simple in my eyes......... What is a Marinator or the Marinators? - we are an enthusiastic vocal group of supporters for the Central Coast Mariners, where you sit has nothing to do with it (but if you want to be where most the noise is most stand in bays 15/16/17. That group have set up a club for those people who are also keen vocal Mariners fans and have set up a membership package. If you want to enjoy additional benefits (discounts, MOM voting blah blah blah) whilst Marinating join our club! |
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Post by kevrenor on Apr 24, 2007 21:52:39 GMT 10
Yes, I see your point kev but 'marinators' still does it for me! "anyone who wears yellow and claims to be..." aint cutttin it for me, sorry, but I think there is MUCH more to it than that. I am happy to bow to the majority but as long as we don't get too 'finicky'(sp?) are we or aren't we 'The Marinators' ? and isn't that who we want to be? I don't think we are too far apart in that. I never like finicky! |
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Post by northernspirit on Apr 24, 2007 21:56:08 GMT 10
are we trying to seperate the club from the support side of things or trying to simply formalise the supporter group so its structured - this is all getting confusing, if its just formalising the group then i think just marinators too calling it 'Marinators' or 'Marinators Club' is basically the same thing IMO I don't know why some people are making it complicated it's simple in my eyes......... What is a Marinator or the Marinators? - we are an enthusiastic vocal group of supporters for the Central Coast Mariners, where you sit has nothing to do with it (but if you want to be where most the noise is most stand in bays 15/16/17. That group have set up a club for those people who are also keen vocal Mariners fans and have set up a membership package. If you want to enjoy additional benefits (discounts, MOM voting blah blah blah) whilst Marinating join our club! yeah which was my thoughts too, so we shouldnt stay too far from our roots, unfortunately being loud and passionate makes some people think were hooligans but we all know thats a croc of shite |
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Post by kevrenor on Apr 24, 2007 22:03:39 GMT 10
are we trying to seperate the club from the support side of things or trying to simply formalise the supporter group so its structured - this is all getting confusing, if its just formalising the group then i think just marinators too I suppose this is where the differences of views lie - BUT they are small if what people have said is true ... goodwill, hard work, and all going in the same direction! My memory of the open meeting last year that set this in motion was that we discussed formalising or not. The outcome I thought was definitely NOT to formalise the whole group but to set up a formal group in CCLC to cover the organising part of things. This also would give us leverage with CCLC as numbers count. This proposal as it has been outlined goes further toward formalising the group and making it more exclusive than I'd like but at least it is not all the way - which is why I in principle support it. Everyone can make up their own mind of course. |
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Post by MrCelery on Apr 24, 2007 22:09:50 GMT 10
The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat. [/blockquote] so starting a sub-club of the leaguesy is hardly building a great commonwealth that spans a continent and shines as a beacon of democracy, but the point is that when good people try to do good things, sometimes it's good to give credit to their efforts and maybe see where it's going. if it fails, unfortunate, but that they tried is good in itself. as for the nature of the group, of any critics i'll paraphrase LBJ's comments about j. edgar hoover (not that i equate the critics with the former president): better to be inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in in other words, the critics should get in the tent and see how it goes. you can exercise greater influence and achieve more good by participating in the process and holding to account those who seek positions. participate - hold people accountable, but don't forget to get your hands on the rope and pull as well.[/quote] A couple of points in reply: . Mate, I've been 'in the trenches' at all levels of football. I've sweated the blood. Suffered the defeats. Maybe I'm a touch negative on this issue as a result. . I'm not discrediting anything or anyone - just saying what I've seen many times. Call it a warning, but also of explaining why I'm not that interested. . Been in the tent. My camping days are over! |
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Post by Adz on Apr 24, 2007 22:14:01 GMT 10
Kevrenor just to add a few comments to the points you made  Since you asked .... Club Marinators or Marinators Club or Friends (an often used name) - that is fine but ''Marinators" by itself is not, such as: My first choice would just be “The Marinators” as this is (or at least I thought it was) about creating an official club to run the Marinators activities, and not a breakaway club with a new name/brand. But I can live with “Club Marinators” if it absolutely had to be different. a) potentially could alienate those who for various reasons are unable or prefer not to join CCLC, or be part of a structured body. People don’t want to join so let’s call it something different? I think less people would want to join if it is named something different... I’m already a Marinator so what’s this “Friends of Marinators” thing about? Maybe we should instead look at the various reasons for not joining and see what can be done there? b) narrows the meaning of the term which has been around since May 2005 for anyone who wore yellow and vocally supported the Mariners, esp. in the Bays. I don’t think there has ever been an “official” meaning of the word Marinator. Some people think it is anyone who supports the Mariners, some think it is the vocal (rowdy) group behind the goals, and there are shades of grey in between… including the definition you offered of a vocal supporter who wears yellow, doesn’t necessarily stand behind the goals. Adding another option of being a paid member couldn’t hurt this. c) means that anyone wearing a Marinators shirt, or scarf (from the last 3 years) or claiming to be one, and behaving in a manner we would not want to be associated with - we will be - and that means trouble for us and importantly CCLC. (Being an official body provides risks as well as mitigations). Not representing the club as being all there is to the Marinators leaves an "out''. Just 'cos I'm paranoid doesn't mean "they" will not be out to get us! We saw that danger with the Advocate article. Not sure if I get the point here. Are you saying call the club something else to insulate ourselves from “anyone wearing a Marinators shirt, or scarf (from the last 3 years) or claiming to be one, and behaving in a manner we would not want to be associated with”? Because I thought we would still be selling “Marinators” branded gear… which would still create a link between us and Mr/Ms Troublemaker. Besides, if any trouble happened to break out, the media would pin it on us anyway, without any proof to back up their stupid claims (talking about you, Central Coast Express Advocate). So, I think it would create *more* confusion to name the club something other than the Marinators. The club will be organising the Marinators events, Marinators away trips, Marinators awards and voting, Marinators website, Marinators tipping and other competitions, selling Marinators branded gear …. it makes sense to call it the Marinators. |
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Post by kevrenor on Apr 24, 2007 22:25:12 GMT 10
<snipped> So, I think it would create *more* confusion to name the club something other than the Marinators. The club will be organising the Marinators events, Marinators away trips, Marinators awards and voting, Marinators website, Marinators tipping and other competitions, selling Marinators branded gear …. it makes sense to call it the Marinators. 1. I have never asked for it to be called anything that meant the members were not Marinators! I don't see why 'Club Marinators' for example would do any of those things you suggested Adz. I find the term breakaway insulting.  2. I have given my reasons (perhaps too often) why it doesn't make sense to use just that word. Perhaps I am wrong, but those are my reasons.  I don't want to be dominating this discussion or to overstate my case - so I will leave it at that for now.  |
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Post by MrCelery on Apr 24, 2007 22:25:50 GMT 10
yeah something simple like Club Marinators would be easier for a logo design too Like that! Lou - in case you missed it, I'm being positive! |
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Post by northernspirit on Apr 24, 2007 22:27:14 GMT 10
well said adz
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Post by MrCelery on Apr 24, 2007 22:40:02 GMT 10
yeah something simple like Club Marinators would be easier for a logo design too Like that! Lou - in case you missed it, I'm being positive! But 'Marinators Club', 'The Marinators Club', or just plain 'Marinators' are all fine too. I assume you are going the full Articles of Association route, so there may be some rules around that you'll have to adhere to. |
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Post by Fish on Apr 24, 2007 22:47:44 GMT 10
Yes, I see your point kev but 'marinators' still does it for me! "anyone who wears yellow and claims to be..." aint cutttin it for me, sorry, but I think there is MUCH more to it than that. I am happy to bow to the majority but as long as we don't get too 'finicky'(sp?) are we or aren't we 'The Marinators' ? and isn't that who we want to be? Im with Lou. The idea of the formalising of the group IMO is to grow and develop into a well organised and driven supporters group.Personally for me the club name has to have Marinators in it otherwise whats the point we may as well call it 4oo people standing at the end of the ground FFS. The Marinators are now synonomous with the Mariners and to lesson the name or categorise it into all supporters is not right.People have stood in red hot sun pissing down rain and travelled the country all proud to be called marinators. Sitting in other parts of the ground supporting is a mariners fan not a marinator Bays 15,16,17 is where we are at if people like it they come if not others will do so.We are driving this to give us a sense of identity, there will always be differences of opinion but we have to all be on the same page sooner or later |
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