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Post by cahill17 on Nov 12, 2006 23:33:17 GMT 10
i second that marinerbhoy. QLD has a brazilian, Adelaide has one too as well as Petta, Newcastle has a Columbian, Melboure went and signed 3 brazilians, is it just me or would anyone else like to see our recruitment expand outside of the state leagues and hopefully get a more exotic capture from south america, someone with a little more creativity and flair...something that i think is sorely missing from our team
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Post by goldjets on Nov 13, 2006 8:24:27 GMT 10
We want Mckinna out I say we want Mckinna out
Well it worked for the jets when we sacked our coach. Now we are playing possibly the best football in the competition. A Melbourne-Newcastle grandfinal this year I think! I can't believe Mckinna questioned the Newcastle fans when we just set a new crowd record for our derbies during the season. He really should look out for the best interests of his own club first which appear to be declining both on and off the field.
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Post by Ursus on Nov 13, 2006 8:29:24 GMT 10
I think a lot of people on this post need to have a cup of tea, a Bex and a good lie down. Talk about panic stations. If all the advice suggested here was taken we would be left with a goalie for a team.
We have probably the best management team in the league. This is the strength of this club. Stuff it up and we will be in a worse position than New Zealand. Yes, I am a fan of Lawrie's but with justification. I saw what he did with Northern Spirit and what he did last year with a bunch of players past their use by date and some kids. Building a team is usually at least a three year project, building a team from scratch in a new league will take longer.
For f***s sake Cahill17 get some time in. I do not mean posts I mean understanding of sport. Marinebuoy good to see you have a car now, unlike the Spirit days when you used to whinge about not being able to get to matches. Why weren't you there yesterday?
This forum is open to all to constructively criticize but shit, some of these posts are so destabilising I am wondering if they are Goldjets in disguise. To call for the sacking of Wilko (borderline socceroo) and a shake up of the management makes me wonder.
Newcastle played well, but it was our mistakes that allowed the goals. 1) Wilko dived in and missed the tackle, the rest of the defence was slow in marking up (difficult going backwards at 100 mph). 2) O'Grady stuffed up a headed clearance (very unusual). a quick one two goal. 3) A fluke off the wall.
We were unsettled for the first 20 mins with a restructured team, not surprising considering the injuries and the loss of form of Spenny. What pisses me off is that the same people who called for Spenny's head and got it are now criticising the management for a result that partly came about from what they asked for.
I thought Sully played well in all his positions as did Browny. Viddy had a good game considering and Danny was his usual brilliant self.
I think Wilko confirmed he is a centre back.
When you loose two top players at the end of a season they are not easily replaced. Remember all teams in the A-League will lose their stars overseas until we grow and while this happens it will be difficult to improve on a year to year basis, It will be an improvement of fits and starts. We have also lost our two most creative players (Gumps and Tommy) to injury.
I remain confident for the remainder of the season.
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Post by NOMESSSS. on Nov 13, 2006 8:40:22 GMT 10
I'm going to piss a few people off by saying this. But i believe the only "woeful" thing about yesterday's game was our Bay. It was effing disgusting and i am seriously questioning sitting with Bay 16 again. I moved yesterday because of the shit that was said it made me sick. The effing Squadron gave our boys more credit than we did, i know it was a minority of people but it was f**king disgusting. It's not just the boys who are lacking in performance. Our Bay has changed so much.
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Post by marinermick on Nov 13, 2006 8:54:46 GMT 10
I think as Ursus said people need to get a bit of perspective.
We did not play that bad considering the players that we had out. Actually after the first twenty minutes in which we were all over the place we probably had the better of play.
The changes that Lawrie was forced to make made us very unsettled early in which they took advantage. Mile had to adjust and so did wilko on the right and that's where we got slammed. After players settled down we played well against a team that is in form.
Newcastle had the breaks in theis game. Mori missed a deadset sitter and from the ensuing play they went and scored to make it 2-0. What should have been 1-1 became 2-0 and we were chasing the game from there.
We did very well to come back but after the break they shut up shop and defended. Both Eagleton and Thompson did not go forward at all and Okon was brilliant in marhsalling the defence. Jade North was just plain rubbish and the most over rated player in the comp.
Their third goal was lucky and came at a time we started to hit ascendancy. That totally knocked the stuffing out of us.
We are only a few points out of the four and with players coming back, and hopefully no more injuries, we will be there finals time.
So get some perspective and have a look at the players we had on the park.
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Post by cahill17 on Nov 13, 2006 8:55:59 GMT 10
wow...a new day but sad to see Ursus is flogging the same tierd shit...everyone always identifies why we lost and what went wrong, (which is usually the same reasons week in week out), and rag on players but then at the end of the posts just say oh well, thats just how it is. God we must have the most unambitious supporters in the A-League.
"For f***s sake Cahill17 get some time in. I do not mean posts I mean understanding of sport." - I've played the f***ing sport for the last 15 years, been to all home Mariner games bar 1 and watched every away one on T.V. That enough time in for you?
Im guessing you're one of those precious type that chucks a hissy fit when, heaven forbid, anyone might come up with a different opinion than you. A little insecure aren't we? I'll tell you what, how about you come ove and we'll hug it out.
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Post by Chimmi Churri on Nov 13, 2006 9:03:21 GMT 10
wow...a new day but sad to see Ursus is flogging the same tierd shit...everyone always identifies why we lost and what went wrong, (which is usually the same reasons week in week out), and rag on players but then at the end of the posts just say oh well, thats just how it is. God we must have the most unambitious supporters in the A-League. "For f***s sake Cahill17 get some time in. I do not mean posts I mean understanding of sport." - I've played the f***ing sport for the last 15 years, been to all home Mariner games bar 1 and watched every away one on T.V. That enough time in for you? Im guessing you're one of those precious type that chucks a hissy fit when, heaven forbid, anyone might come up with a different opinion than you. A little insecure aren't we? I'll tell you what, how about you come ove and we'll hug it out. I think what we're after is constructive criticism, I kinda feel the need to defend our team after reading your first post ---- and I’m all for you two "hugging it out" ;D. I expect some cuddle action next week at CCLC!
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Post by serious14 on Nov 13, 2006 9:03:23 GMT 10
The things wrong with the Central Coast Mariners right now......
Tom Pondeljak is not on the field enough Andre Gumprecht is not on the field at all The defense (except for Wilko in patches and Vidmar most of the time) was absent Dean Heffernan is currently not our left back The midfield
Yesterday also proved (yet again) the gap in class between Mori and the rest......... seriously, that guy is something else. The look on his face after he schooled 4 defenders (only to be beaten at the last) only to turn around and see Kwasnik nowhere near him and the midfield 30 metres behind was heartbreaking. The poor guy can't do it on his own but yesterday he damn near did. Permanent contract next year anyone??
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Post by dibo (pron. "DIB-OH") on Nov 13, 2006 9:19:58 GMT 10
this is a hard coupla weeks for the marinators i think, mostly because it's been a hard couple of weeks for the team. last week, having given away the game in the most demoralising way against 9 men. this week, having been beaten fair and square by hated rivals. football support isn't all shits and giggles. we as a supporters group have to get our shit together as much as the team does. we were very quiet for patches yesterday, and i think that's understandable (we're not exactly used to trailing newcastle of all clubs, are we?), but we need to do better as much as the boys on the field. some of the negative stuff - one moment in particular was a few people screaming at kwas to run when a cross had been drilled a clear metre over his head and over the sideline - it's just not right. it's not right because it's negative and lashing out, but it's also not right because it's bagging the wrong fella. sometimes bagging one player or another seems to come into fashion on here, kwas has had well and truly more than his fair share, but so has spenny. sheesh, to think that someone might pass backwards to consolidate possession and get the side moving up the park... sometimes instead of bagging we should be firing up another song - respond positively not negatively. and we know from experience that when we fire up to another level, often the boys do too. some of the new songs didn't get a run either - we might be more inclined to do as we say we will and sing for 90 minutes if we get a couple more songs into rotation and just try a few more things. but if we just take a moment to put this whole thing into perspective - - we're not far from the four (6th place, three points off 4th) - of the teams above us, both sydney and qld have been in dire form, and the jets' form will be tested by a long run away. - we've got an away trip which though difficult, should still yield 3 points - we've got a couple of good players out at the moment who aren't far from being back and firing - our home record is impressive so far and we're looking at 6 out of 7 matches at home we got beaten yesterday. alright, take the lumps, then look to next week. there's nothing in tearing strips off one another or our team on here that's gonna magic back those three points. chins up, move on.
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Post by rawmarinator on Nov 13, 2006 9:23:46 GMT 10
Far out people, settle the f**k down! If Cahill17 has an opinion don't shoot him down by telling him to f**k off!!! Just because some of you have been smashing this forum for a couple of years doesn't mean you have the right to carry on like this. I'm sure from a supporter base perspective, you can see the negatives of your reactions here. We want MORE people on here, and more people getting hooked on the mariners bug. DONT DRIVE THEM AWAY!!
Everyone has the right to bitch after another poor performance. On a personal note I think Lawrie should definately stay. I do however think we need a clean out of some of our playing staff at the end of the year.
By the way, can anyone tell me why Porter has only just made his A-League debut?? He impressed me during the pre-season, and I feel he is young enough to adapt to a central or wide mid role (no more Spencer).
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Post by marinermick on Nov 13, 2006 9:26:03 GMT 10
By the way, can anyone tell me why Porter has only just made his A-League debut?? He impressed me during the pre-season, and I feel he is young enough to adapt to a central or wide mid role (no more Spencer). \ because for the most part he had been away on young socceroo duty or in young socceroo camps
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Post by cahill17 on Nov 13, 2006 9:31:54 GMT 10
How are my posts not constructive? I merely suggested that IF we lost to NZ then maybe there should be at least some hint of pressure on McKinna to get the team going again. We have been pretty woeful this year, the players looks disinterested at times, the tactics are far from working and things just look a bit stale. Instead of letting this just roll along why not put a bit of pressure on to act as motivation to wake this season up?
As for hugging it our i'd love to, hey we could invite Laurie as well and have a 3-way hug out session in the leagues club...but given Ursus's insecurities im just a little worried that he might draw wood...its ok Ursus we'll be gentle.
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Post by Perm on Nov 13, 2006 9:39:19 GMT 10
do you speak positively about the boys in Yellow other than when we are winning Cahill17?
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Post by serious14 on Nov 13, 2006 9:44:21 GMT 10
to think that someone might pass backwards to consolidate possession and get the side moving up the park... C'mon Dibo, be honest mate........ there's a difference between consolidating possession and completely destroying the attacking momentum time and time again, surely?? On a separate note - how awesome was Vidmar's foul halfway through the second half on whoever it was to deny them a clean run at goal...... one of the cleverest professional fouls I've ever seen, and he only got a yellow for it as well. Now that's laying it on the line for the team.
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Post by Perm on Nov 13, 2006 9:46:50 GMT 10
i agree with Dibes, it looked to me that noone was giving options going into attack, as in WORK OFF THE BALL, which made us so competitive last year, and what we lack this year. so if you cant go forwards, go backwards and build the play up again.
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Post by dibo (pron. "DIB-OH") on Nov 13, 2006 9:51:29 GMT 10
i don't think he does 'destroy attacking momentum time and time again'. you know why? when he came on, we gained direction. we held onto the ball a little better. we tried to work forward rather than running to the wings and hoping.
we also tied up that space in front of the central defence so they couldn't make the same dinky 1-2 move they made for the 2nd goal.
he's a defensive mid, an anchorman or a lynchpin. he's not maradona, and we shouldn't expect him to be as that's not the job. i'd much rather see spenny pass back to the backline and have us consolidate than see him put a wasteful hit and hope. his passing hasn't been as incisive as at times last year, but i don't think he's the disaster area he's made out to be. his worst crime would be a little anonymity - he's not a flashy superstar. doesn't bother me in the slightest.
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Post by rhystar on Nov 13, 2006 9:51:36 GMT 10
to think that someone might pass backwards to consolidate possession and get the side moving up the park... C'mon Dibo, be honest mate........ there's a difference between consolidating possession and completely destroying the attacking momentum time and time again, surely?? On a separate note - how awesome was Vidmar's foul halfway through the second half on whoever it was to deny them a clean run at goal...... one of the cleverest professional fouls I've ever seen, and he only got a yellow for it as well. Now that's laying it on the line for the team. atrocious, did it a number of times, your defence was just too slow to control and maintain griffiths, eages, and even coveny. okon got a red, vidmar as well as that guy who was playing left back. i am not coming on here to rub it in. great atmosphere and well done to mariners fans showing up. vukovic and mori are the only good things going for you at the moment. vukovic, whilst i hate him with all my guts, he is by far the best keeper in the league, without a shadow of doubt. wish we had him at the jets. good result for the jets, never in doubt in my opinion. we were ready, you guys were not. good to get some revenge. the jets, plain and simply, let the football do the talking.
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Post by Chimmi Churri on Nov 13, 2006 9:59:16 GMT 10
Another thought on the game is that we seemed to be dissing the opposition more than we were cheering our own team on....and i didn't hear the 'ants go marching' chant either . I love that one! We need to change that mindset and really egg our team on!
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Post by serious14 on Nov 13, 2006 9:59:37 GMT 10
Dibo, Perm - I'm not debating the merits of "going backwards to build the play up again", but that's all we ever seem to do, and once is does start moving forward again (slowly at that) it breaks down all to easily. Now we all know that Spencer hasn't been as incisive this season as he was last...... but that's what is needed from the 'holding midfielder'. The Grella role, if you will. Doing the dirty work in front of the defenders so that the other midfielders are free to run riot.
Not that the other midfielders were in any particular hurry to run anywhere yesterday. C'mon guys, make some space for yourselves!!!! It makes your job a lot easier in the end.
Chimmi - "We need to change that mindset and really egg our team on!" I couldn't agree more - a more even split is needed between slagging the Jets and cheering on the yellow...... but it doesn't help when I find out post-game yesterday that mine and Auburn's attempts at doing the "start-slow-and-speed-it-up" 'When the Coast Goes Marching In" was met with muted enthusiasm at best from some. A bit disappointing to hear that sort of thing, 'cause not only did it sound incredible when it worked, but it's a song supporting the team, which right now we need a lot more of.
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Post by Perm on Nov 13, 2006 10:01:58 GMT 10
yep agreed. now transfer that to playing the game, and you can see why we are always heading backwards. no creativity going into attack due to lack of work off the ball.
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