Round 6 vs Adelaide

[Pete]

There has been comments about Browny not doing so well against Adelaide. I haven't seen the match vid. but Browny did cop a big knock in the game previous, and he was hobbling after that match (hip). Maybe he wasn't at his best because of that knock, and the resulting bruising on the hip?

Re: the comments about Clarkey reaching his use by date. I believe it was the intention, from the outset of HAL v1., that Clarkey would be a squad player and a conditioning coach. Then would ease back into a more conditioning coach role more, and a player less.

He is a great guy, runs his heart out and one of the fittest people I have ever met. I think that his role as a player has actually had more mileage than he and Lawrie would have envisaged at the start of HAL v1., but with injuries and illness to Boogs and O'Grady over the last 2 seasons (and these have been long term benchings), he's probably played more games than he would have wanted to by now.

With Vidmar getting a second red this season, how long is this suspension?

[bobandbill]

I have been unimpressed by Clark, personally. Not sure that he is up to A-league standards.
Brown... well he's decent, but good enough to warrent no Gumps, Tommy P or Owens? I'm not sure about that.

Why are we not playing a back 3? Our strongest part of the team at the moment is midfield. Jedinak plays defensive midfield anyway - why not have 5 midfielders? With Gumps, Jedinak, Kwas who has improved, Hutch who has greatly improved. Tommy P who proved his worth but hasn't had much as yet, Owens who played 2 seasons with Adelaide but hasn't had a start... why do we have many of these players lacking game time and starts? Surely eariler subs and a different formation would work.

McKinna has IMO reverted too much on using the 'winning team', not the 'best' team - just because we won (and not in any flashy style either) against a struggling Perth, doesn't it mean that the same people + Vidmar from suspension will do it again. And they didn't. His done good in recruiting and moving Hutch into a position he seems to go well in, but let's see the best team go on, and give Tommy P and Owens a run.

[Ursus]

We really do play a back 3 with either Heff or Ossie getting forward a lot. We just alternate who are the 3.

In any sport you do not change a winning combination without a very pressing reason.
Sports Management 101 first lesson.

[marinermick]

petethebusdriver said:

With Vidmar getting a second red this season, how long is this suspension?

two weeks with the next red card six weeks

[marinermick]

ursus said:

In any sport you do not change a winning combination without a very pressing reason.
Sports Management 101 first lesson.

never learnt that in my sport and event management degree

i actually disagree on that point

i subscribe to the "horses for courses" theory - you play your best players for that particular game and that particular situation

as strategies change against different teams than the personnel should best reflect this

[bikinigirl]

marinermick said:

petethebusdriver said:

With Vidmar getting a second red this season, how long is this suspension?

two weeks with the next red card six weeks

. he's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy

[bikinigirl]

marinermick said:

ursus said:

In any sport you do not change a winning combination without a very pressing reason.
Sports Management 101 first lesson.

never learnt that in my sport and event management degree

i actually disagree on that point

i subscribe to the "horses for courses" theory - you play your best players for that particular game and that particular situation

as strategies change against different teams than the personnel should best reflect this

. regardless, we should see a change to a more attacking midfield

[offtheball]

ursus said:

We really do play a back 3 with either Heff or Ossie getting forward a lot. We just alternate who are the 3.

In any sport you do not change a winning combination without a very pressing reason.
Sports Management 101 first lesson.

Pressing reason is that even though we beat Sydney Perth and Roar we could easily have lost all three games.

How we can not have Gumprecht and Pondeljak on the field is beyond me.

[thefullback]

OK i didnt see the game, listened to the 96.3 shout. Interestingly pint culture gave brownie 2 points in the player ratings. Gumps or tom p would have been a good sub around 50 to 60 mins. Whats with Greg Owens ? injury or attitude problem, anyone know.

[marinermum]

Vidmar saved a goal for sure, both red cards. It worked for melb but too much time on a very attacking line. Did not work this time. First yellow he clearl y got the ball. Breeze is shit.

By the way, we have a new away supporter we met in Adelaide, Dustin 8 years old. He did not stop chanting, much to his mum's dismay . Go Dustin a new marinator has been borne. He even stopped eggy in his tracks. Dustin also led the chants

[marinerbhoy]

ursus said:

We really do play a back 3 with either Heff or Ossie getting forward a lot. We just alternate who are the 3.

In any sport you do not change a winning combination without a very pressing reason.
Sports Management 101 first lesson.

i could not disagree more. player rotation has been successful tactic used by many championship winning teams across all sports.

[marinermum]

I've noticed that this year Mori is having to play 2 strikers & he was gready with the ball in his fist game back. This time he probably took on board the need to change his play but it was a little too wrote learnt. He should have had a shot and not pass. However, I think he will have it right this week. Let's see.

I feel that Adelaide had to play really good football to beat us. We had opportunities & missed them thats the game. We did play well. But that Nathan Burns, he walks on water the way he steps around good players is brilliant and full credit to such a young guy, he is doing really well.

Djite he should get academies & yellow cards. Breeze should give himself a red.

[EGGBA]

I think browny shoud be a right back Clarky centre back but both as replacements to our current starters no disrespect to them just our other backs are just too good IMO.
I wish Mori took the shot.
Big effort we just didnt seem to want it as much as the reds.
Cheers to Adelaide for putting up with me i ran a absolute muck had a great time.paying for it now tho .
I got shut down by an 8yr old :'(lol

[Ursus]

marinerbhoy said:

ursus said:

We really do play a back 3 with either Heff or Ossie getting forward a lot. We just alternate who are the 3.

In any sport you do not change a winning combination without a very pressing reason.
Sports Management 101 first lesson.

i could not disagree more. player rotation has been successful tactic used by many championship winning teams across all sports.

Player rotation is usually only used in sports where there is a pressing reason, usually too many games with the risk of burnt out players, eg EPL and Australian international cricket.
One loss in six games is not a pressing reason to make changes and our current players are still developing understanding and combinations.

I still think of all the people on this forum lawrie is still best suited to be manager.

[brett]

Certainly no back threes for a while...we only have two fit centre backs!

I would agree that we have won certain games based on our clinical strikeforce rather than dominating the opposition - with a couple of key injuries we've actually had a tough 3 weeks and maybe things are worth changing (I would suggest tweaking , see final post of previous page)?

[northernspirit]

our injuries and suspensions are mounting which is a concern, as for Brownie i thought his finishing in front of goal was woeful but at least he got into those positions to have those shots which says something... cant get wilko and viddy back soon enough IMO

[wombat]

I think some of you must know nothing about Football. Gumps has to start!

[marinerbhoy]

exactly, keeping a team together just because we have been winning is just a lazy thought. we have yet to dominate an entire match, and our midfield is yet to fire, with goals coming from fantastic players up front.

dont get me wrong, the team is where they deserve to be, but resting on laurels will cause a downfall.

in response to ursus, the loss is not the reason for changes. and such changes IMO should not be drastic. the players did awesome in adelaide, no one can doubt that, but what we are seeing is a decline in our a midfield, this started before the loss. we hadnt lost before the game against perth, yet lawrie decided to drop gumps to the bench, and his brilliance off the bench was catalyst for the win. so i dont think lawrie would agree with you. and i am sure he has the answer to make our midfield retain some of the ball. well i hope he does, because as was said no one here is better than lawrie. i sure dont have an answer.

[Ursus]

I do not disagree that the midfield has not been firing as it should in a creative sense, I have already made this point, however individuals have been playing well and the team has been winning.
Very difficult for a manager to make changes, especially when the team runs on spirit as much as Mariners do.

Scenario: Training on Tuesday, manager to midfielder.
"Great game Bob, you did all we asked, we got the win, but you are on the bench for next Sunday."

I guess that is why managers earn so much money.

However,I think we shall see changes on Sunday.

As a minimum, Browny to the back and Gumps in the midfield.

It would be interesting to see what Lawrie would have done to the midfield if we had a completely fit and available set of backs.

[brett]

ursus said:

I still think of all the people on this forum lawrie is still best suited to be manager.

ursus said:

I guess that is why managers earn so much money.

Your opinion hasn't always reflected what the gaffer is doing.

Having options to discuss because of the depth of our squad is healthy.

Recognising that we're top of the league but aren't yet playing champagne football is even healthier.

Lawrie has sprung selection surprises before, as recently as round one this season, and with our unavailabilities I wouldn't be writing off anyone's opinions/predictions.

Get off it old man.