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Post by johnnywarren on Jan 30, 2007 15:32:39 GMT 10
Dear Winter Sporting Associations
We thought that this information may be of assistance informing your clubs so that they are all aware of the situation facing them this winter 2007 season;
Following the guidelines set out in the Sportsground Management Strategy for times of water restrictions;
Pre Season Training
There is no pre-season training permitted on Gosford City Council sportsgrounds
Trial Games
There are no trial games permitted on Gosford City Council sportsgrounds
Season Training
Training can commence on Gosford City Sportsgrounds from Monday 2nd April 2007. Training nights are limited to TWO training nights per week per club.
Clubs are to nominate training nights to their association.
Council are implementing these measures to try and prolong the life of the fields in order to maintain as much as the season duration as possible in order for the competitions to run. The cooperation of all clubs in assisting Council with these management measures is greatly appreciated.
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Post by offtheball on Jan 30, 2007 15:48:55 GMT 10
This is a bloody joke.
How do the larger clubs organise for all of their teams to train twice a week when you are only allowed the grounds two nights a week. At present clubs like Wyoming and Gosford can't fit their squads onto fields using 4 nights.
All council fields should have two 10 000 litre water tanks installed immediately. These could be hooked up to the existing sprinkler system, problem solved. Council to pay for and install and to be paid back by clubs over a four or five year period by levying players $5 per season. Cricket clubs of course would have to impose the same levy.
We are told their is no shortage of rain fall on the coast just in the catchment area, so with general rain fall topped up by tanks there should be no problem.
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Post by kevrenor on Jan 30, 2007 16:03:37 GMT 10
This is a bloody joke. How do the larger clubs organise for all of their teams to train twice a week when you are only allowed the grounds two nights a week. At present clubs like Wyoming and Gosford can't fit their squads onto fields using 4 nights. All council fields should have two 10 000 litre water tanks installed immediately. These could be hooked up to the existing sprinkler system, problem solved. Council to pay for and install and to be paid back by clubs over a four or five year period by levying players $5 per season. Cricket clubs of course would have to impose the same levy. We are told their is no shortage of rain fall on the coast just in the catchment area, so with general rain fall topped up by tanks there should be no problem. Out of interest would each field have enough roof area to fill 20,000 litres, and how far would that go in watering fields? Very hard I know but in Victoria some competitions had to be called off mid-season with their level 4 restrictions. No one wants that. Clubs will have to come up with other ways to train - indoors, gym, road work, home ball work, pubs .. cough! |
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Post by dibo (pron. "DIB-OH") on Jan 30, 2007 16:09:43 GMT 10
This is a bloody joke. How do the larger clubs organise for all of their teams to train twice a week when you are only allowed the grounds two nights a week. At present clubs like Wyoming and Gosford can't fit their squads onto fields using 4 nights. All council fields should have two 10 000 litre water tanks installed immediately. These could be hooked up to the existing sprinkler system, problem solved. Council to pay for and install and to be paid back by clubs over a four or five year period by levying players $5 per season. Cricket clubs of course would have to impose the same levy. We are told their is no shortage of rain fall on the coast just in the catchment area, so with general rain fall topped up by tanks there should be no problem. tanks = good idea, up to a point. i don't know if 10,000 litre (or even 100,000 litre...) tanks would be big enough, i don't know if the cost proposals you're floating hold water (pun absolutely intended), but the tanks are a good idea. it's got to be said that putting a tank on every large winter sportsground on the central coast is a huge undertaking, and in particular working out the infrastructure to actually collect water (in many places it may involve significant work done with drainage channels and even pumps) so i think there may be a little more to it. i'm not saying we couldn't do it, but it's a lot of work. i know gavenlock oval best, so i'll talk about it. when a lot of rain falls on gavenlock, a lot soaks into the clay and dust and goes to mud, and then evaporates out. there are certain pockets of the grount (the southwest corner in particular, under the trees near the lightpost) that get very wet and hold water weeks after any decent rain. but other parts stay bone dry all the time, because either the water never really soaks in or it runs off to the creek. to actually collect sufficient water to make a difference for watering the fields, you'd likely need to lay down significant under-turf channelling, and break up the claypan a lot before the water actually got anywhere near the tank. otherwise you're just going to have the same thing - wet loam on top for a few days which dries out, and the rest in the creek. there are also other issues with denying the local creeks the environmental flows that come from the ovals... basically, it's a more complex problem than tanks and a levy. i think greywater and brownwater recycling is a more viable idea, if there's some way of collecting non-drinking water and distributing it so that fields aren't competing with people for limited drinking water supplies, then we're cooking. but that's a pretty major infrastructure investment too. it's one that will yield dividends down the track though, for more than just a few green fields too. |
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Post by johnnywarren on Jan 30, 2007 16:12:58 GMT 10
i was talking to a terrigal person last nite and the club itself wanted to pay for water tank and also tap into the dam at the club.
council said no way.
so lookout for playstation virtual soccer - central coast edition.
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Post by Farthing on Jan 30, 2007 17:14:38 GMT 10
Does anyone know if Wyong council is doing the same thing, because that will give the bigger clubs up there like, Kanwal and Killarney, over the bigger clubs in Gosford council, like Gosford, Wyoming, East Gosford and Kincumber seeing they will get more chances to train
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Post by johnnywarren on Jan 30, 2007 18:57:49 GMT 10
Does anyone know if Wyong council is doing the same thing, because that will give the bigger clubs up there like, Kanwal and Killarney, over the bigger clubs in Gosford council, like Gosford, Wyoming, East Gosford and Kincumber seeing they will get more chances to train hey fartho, not being rude but what will it give the bigger clubs - a) an advantage for they get to train more nights. b)just more nights to train, or c) fcuk all |
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Post by oziboy on Jan 30, 2007 19:38:58 GMT 10
i was talking to a terrigal person last nite and the club itself wanted to pay for water tank and also tap into the dam at the club. council said no way. so lookout for playstation virtual soccer - central coast edition. What didn't council approve this ? That's bullshit !!. Why don't we look at recycled water Pat Morley oval currently uses that for it's watering. Also the CCF could look at getting some water sponsors, bringing water from local dams or the recycled water and get the fields watered. Did the CCF get a grant for this ? I believe they may have. |
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Post by offtheball on Jan 30, 2007 21:06:27 GMT 10
I'm sure it is more complicated than a levy and a tank to have perfectly irrigated fields for us all to enjoy but the fact is if the drought was to end tomorrow and we had optimum rainfall for the next five years our grounds would still be a mess.
Too many feet not enough grounds. No new grounds in living memory.
I'm afraid I see this as a stunt by the council to excuse their head in the sand approach to recreation development on the coast.
Take Gavenlock for instance, drought or no drought it is a dirt bowl come June.
Wyong Council is way ahead of Gosford with the use of treated water. Pat Morley and EDSAC as well as others are watered by recycled water.
Large tanks have been installed at Adcock Park, i'm not sure of their capacity or if they were paid for by council alone.
I'm not the greatest mathematician and i'm sue someone will correct me if I'm wrong but ...
1ml of rain falling onto a roof with an area of 1m2 is 10 000ml or 10 litres.
Most grounds would have an amenities block of at least 10m x 20m or 200m2.
So 1ml of rain on a 200m2 roof would collect 2 000litres of water
I heard on the news tonight Sydney has had 45ml of rain in January (well below average) but enough to store 90 000litres of water on grounds with small amenities blocks.
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Post by dibo (pron. "DIB-OH") on Jan 30, 2007 21:34:41 GMT 10
I'm not the greatest mathematician and i'm sue someone will correct me if I'm wrong but ... 1ml of rain falling onto a roof with an area of 1m2 is 10 000ml or 10 litres. Most grounds would have an amenities block of at least 10m x 20m or 200m2. So 1ml of rain on a 200m2 roof would collect 2 000litres of water I heard on the news tonight Sydney has had 45ml of rain in January (well below average) but enough to store 90 000litres of water on grounds with small amenities blocks. your maths are right, if the base assumptions are as well... the basic assumption that all the rain that falls on a roof will go into the tank is one factor that's by no means certain. unless we get good strong rain with no sun for a while and a sufficiently sloped roof to ensure the water flows quickly enough into the tank then you'll get a return close to that (because the water won't evaporate). but the big rains may pose a problem (gutters overflowing, losing the precious water), and there's still the question of how much water is needed per week to keep a ground in shape? there's a fella on the scum forum with an idea, might see what i can find out. [curiosity clearly about to kill this cat...] |
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Post by robc on Jan 30, 2007 21:45:24 GMT 10
First you need guttering to catch water:) A tank has been sitting at gavemlock oval since the end of last soccer season.
To the best of my knowledge theres still no guttering on the ammenities block.
The next door neighbour had a huge mother of a tank filled in one night here a bit before Xmas.
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Post by offtheball on Jan 30, 2007 21:46:01 GMT 10
People who rely on tank water know all about Murphy's law, huge downpour is assured the day after you by a truck load of water.
Exactly right I don't know how many litres is needed to give a ground a good soaking. But I still maintain our main Gosford grounds are getting enough rain fall, throw in water from a tank during a prolonged dry spell and we should be fine.
Only last week Pluim was closed because of the wet weather. How many games were washed out last season?
I know there is a crucial time when fields need to be repaired before the cricket starts and before our season starts this is when the tanks could be very handy
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Post by dibo (pron. "DIB-OH") on Jan 30, 2007 21:53:16 GMT 10
yeah, i'm just genuinely curious. am trying to flush out the jets' resident horticulture nerd, he'll have a fair idea.
guttering... the other thing is keeping it in good nick... vandalism, maintenance, balls hitting it...
having a sufficiently large maximum capacity to take summer downfalls and handle dry winters is the big prob too.
if you get a real solution out of this, take it to council. there's a council election next year too, and with the number of families directly and indirectly involved in field sports it can be a political issue. dead serious, if you can make it work and make the numbers work (if it costs a hundred grand per ground, you're gonna struggle), then you might have something.
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Post by Fish on Jan 30, 2007 22:06:09 GMT 10
I know the water conditions at the moment mean sacrifices but FFS surely there is an alternative.How are unfit pricks such as Sacko supposed to get fitness levels up.
I might rent my back yard out $100 a session only Mondays and Wednesdays to comply.
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Post by dibo (pron. "DIB-OH") on Jan 30, 2007 22:08:39 GMT 10
the alternative is going situation normal, but then realising that the grounds are proper f***ed by june and cancelling the rest of the season in the hope that it might be ready by next march...
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Post by Fish on Jan 30, 2007 22:12:53 GMT 10
Their talking of reducing the season already.
One point I dont know if anyones mentioned as clubs find alternative venues does the standard insurance and public liability cover you if you get hurt on an alternate venue?
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Post by shelleybeach on Jan 31, 2007 6:44:18 GMT 10
dickhead councils, it's not rocket science - a water shortage was predicted more than 25 years ago - does anyone remember the water restrictions in the early 1980s?
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Post by marinermick on Jan 31, 2007 7:39:40 GMT 10
Their talking of reducing the season already. One point I dont know if anyones mentioned as clubs find alternative venues does the standard insurance and public liability cover you if you get hurt on an alternate venue? Yes it does provided you are registered for this season. team managers put in requests to club secretaries who then get sanctioned from CCf and the insurer. WARNING TO ALL PLAYERS - CCF has changed insurers. That means you are not insured until you pay rego. |
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Post by voice of reason on Jan 31, 2007 10:23:54 GMT 10
Some of us have short memories...apart from the clause about the number of training nights, this policy is identical to last year's. Any trial matches that were played were at private grounds such as Woy Woy High School, Gosford High, Mt Penang, Vales Point Power Station, etc. There was no training before 1 April, although councils did relent with 2 weeks to go. And the season went ahead without too many problems, if you chose to ignore the sand dunes at Frost Reserve.
Don't get the idea I'm standing up for councils though....I was incensed to see a council worker lovingly tending the cricket square at Duffy's every day of the summer. They should seriously redirect their policies and resources to the game played by the masses, not the minority.
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Post by nutmeg on Jan 31, 2007 11:09:38 GMT 10
Well gavenlock oval just got a new turf wicket at the beginning of the cricket season. Also some of the council workers are involved with local cricket.
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