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Post by dibo (pron. "DIB-OH") on Feb 21, 2007 14:54:20 GMT 10
they get sizeable kickbacks from developers for zoning land for subdivision. This money is supposed to be used for the development of infrastructure including ovals. When you have an almost doubling of the population in the last decade with little provision for recreation space and very few new ovals I call it a lack of planning. That’s not necessarily true. For starters, the population (at least in the gosford end of the coast) hasn't grown that fast. For seconds, just because the number of ovals hasn’t grown at pace with population is not prima facie evidence of poor planning. On the contrary, when most major land releases happened, grounds are set aside before the population gets to the level that they’re anything like crowded. The supply of parks vastly exceeds demand when there’s a park and the surrounding streets are only partly developed. As houses are built and the subdivided land is filled, the demand meets the supply. I suspect the major problem on the coast is more one of resource allocation – who’s getting to use the grounds? Rugby league still has a place seemingly above that of the other winter sports, in spite of football’s vastly greater participation figures. That’s where the squeeze comes in – I’ll bet (entirely from the seat of my pants – I’ve got no numbers to speak from) rugby league and maybe even union are relatively well catered for compared to football, and that also crowds up football training and matches and exacerbates overuse problems. |
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Post by dru on Feb 21, 2007 15:13:20 GMT 10
Apart from doughies what is say Henry Kendall High Schools oval used for over the weekend? There is open space there we aren't utilising it to it's full potential.
who would of seen Woy Woy going from above ground cemetary to town house central 15 to 20 years ago. I doubt the demoghaphic shift that has happened on the lower end of the coast was ever really predicted when the planning of it was happening.
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Post by LeedsMariner#4 on Feb 21, 2007 18:06:16 GMT 10
schools have different issues to deal with
they may not have much done on them on the weekend, but generally have a lot of traffic during the school week with sport, PE etc
they also dont have the facilites availbale to them once the grounds are ruined that the council would have available to them.
if a council ground is stuffed than no one would be allowed to use it, if a school ground was ruined it would still need to be utilised by the school for all their sports
we have similar problems at the school that i teach at
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Post by greenpoint on Feb 28, 2007 21:00:36 GMT 10
My Over-35s team is looking at playing trials against teams based in Sydney or Newcastle - from clubs not subject to the harsh water restrictions of the Central Coast!
We still need to solve the problem of where to train, though. Those sand dunes are looking good!
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Post by offtheball on Mar 1, 2007 6:57:10 GMT 10
Council grounds that I have driven past are looking magnificent.
I know with the current perfect weather conditions, a few hot days followed by a couple of days of heavy rain, I need to mow my grass nearly twice a week.
As has been stated nothing to do with the drought, lack of infrustructure and lack of equity in ground sharing.
I was down at Lisarow High last weekend trials on the High School Field and training on the grass verge between the road and the sub station.
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Post by LeedsMariner#4 on Mar 2, 2007 19:19:43 GMT 10
all the grounds ive seen look great as well!
doesnt take long to rip them up though, once the games start
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Post by offtheball on Mar 2, 2007 20:14:26 GMT 10
Nothing to do with a lack of water though!
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Post by dibo (pron. "DIB-OH") on Mar 3, 2007 10:15:59 GMT 10
but then what exactly can the council do about that?
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Post by offtheball on Mar 3, 2007 11:11:17 GMT 10
For the present pobably not much more than they have, ie restricting use.
However, my concern is the future. The head in the sand attitude in blaming the drought means nothing will ever be done and the problem get worse.
Council needs to admit present and previous bodies have stuffed up big time and we will now plan for the future needs of our constituents.
I don't know what land council owns or may be able to access. Half our grounds are built on tips. Why wasn't a football field built at Green Point. How long is the life expectancy of Kincumber tip? Perfect spot demographically.
Why has Oznam taken ten years?
Why did we miss the boat with Mt Penang, cricket this week announced a re-development up there.
Football numbers are going to continue to grow. CCFA has outgrown Pluim. Any possible sites around the coast for a major development with about eight fields?
I've got a solution another feasability study on Gosford Marina!
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Post by dibo (pron. "DIB-OH") on Mar 4, 2007 21:53:23 GMT 10
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Post by robc on Mar 5, 2007 11:58:47 GMT 10
Any possible sites around the coast for a major development with about eight fields? In Carrington street narara there's enough flood plain to build a dozen football fields. This ground can never be sold for housing or industrial developement |
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Post by Jesus on Mar 5, 2007 14:47:31 GMT 10
Why cant it be sold as housing?
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Post by marinermick on Mar 5, 2007 14:55:18 GMT 10
Why cant it be sold as housing? it's flood prone |
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Post by dru on Mar 5, 2007 14:59:49 GMT 10
Why cant it be sold as housing? it's flood prone And as such it will not be insured nor will you be able to mortage against the value of the land or buildings on it which basically makes it a dead asset that will never increase in value. Sporting fields and Leisure areas are one of the few uses for these sort of areas. I think the majority of Singleton's sporting fields are built in such areas. |
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Post by dibo (pron. "DIB-OH") on Mar 5, 2007 15:41:43 GMT 10
i gather it's actually privately owned (there were horses on it when i was younger), just you can't build on it for reasons mentioned above
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Post by Jesus on Mar 7, 2007 18:44:43 GMT 10
A whole heap of the coast was flood prone. Half of terrigal was swamp/wetlands. They filled it in. Why not there?
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Post by dibo (pron. "DIB-OH") on Mar 9, 2007 9:41:51 GMT 10
in further news on the water plans for grounds, there's an article in the CCEA today: Closures will protect sport fields
08Mar07
DESPITE recent rain, Gosford and Wyong councils may still close sports grounds because they are too hard and dry.
The drought has damaged sports grounds and the councils say closures may be the only way to protect them.
Both councils have purchased special equipment to accurately assess ground hardness and gauge whether playing surfaces are suitable for training and competition.
Clubs and players are able to access a page on both councils' websites outlining a ground's status.
The councils are working with schools, sporting clubs and associations to develop a strategy for the safe use of grounds.
Under the Central Coast sportsground management strategy, the councils will continue to work closely with sporting bodies and schools to monitor and limit wear on ground surfaces.
A spokesman said the councils had to ensure the safety of players and the viability of sports grounds during the drought.
``If a playing field does need to be temporarily closed for safety or viability reasons then it will be done in consultation with the relevant clubs, associations and users,'' the spokesman said.
``Where possible, other competition venues will be made available on fields which are irrigated with alternative water supplies such as borewater, stormwater or recycled water.''
The councils are carrying out capital works programs to provide alternative water supplies to as many sporting fields as possible.
Both the full and summarised versions of the strategy are available on the councils' websites at www.gosford.nsw.gov.au or www.wyong.nsw.gov.au.
Inquiries: 4325 8426 or 4350 5322. Wyong's page is here, Gosford's is here. If there's something you want to see happen, get in and get involved. Decisions are made by those who show up. |
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Post by Pete on Mar 10, 2007 12:39:57 GMT 10
Both councils have purchased special equipment to accurately assess ground hardness and gauge whether playing surfaces are suitable for training and competition. What.....has each Council bought one of Tony Greig's old Toyota keys from the ninemsn sporting memorabilia shop to test the pitch hardness. ;D |
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Post by dibo (pron. "DIB-OH") on Mar 16, 2007 10:50:32 GMT 10
from the express: Sports groups get joint-use oval
15Mar07
A UNIQUE agreement between Erina High School and Gosford Council will help to solve a chronic shortage of sporting fields in the city.
Believed to be a NSW first, the school's ovals will be upgraded by the council and are expected to be ready for use in 2008.
Stakeholders in the project were due to meet in January to continue discussions about the final joint-use agreement.
The arrangement will allow students exclusive use of sports fields during school hours with user rights transferred to community sporting groups at other times.
The council's recreational facilities co-ordinator Karen Tucker said sports fields in the suburb could not cope with increasing team numbers.
``We're basically built out we have a lack of green space in Gosford city,'' she said.
``We have a desperate need for more sports fields because sporting codes are getting bigger.''
She said the facility a joint project between the council, Erina High School and the NSW Education Department would be partly funded by $1.4 million in Section 94 developer contributions.
She said a new amenities block would be built and the school's two full-sized playing fields would feature irrigation systems using recycled and tank water.
``We don't have costs yet but we have a basic concept plan and we're looking at getting formal plans,'' she said.
``We're working with soccer, rugby league and the sports council by discussing where we're at and they provide feedback on their codes' behalf.
``We're hoping at having something up and running next year.'' terrific idea, and hopefully it works out well so it can be mirrored across the coast. it's a very sensible partnership that could yield some great results - improving school infrastructure as well as easing the undersupply of council fields. |
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Post by Pete on Mar 16, 2007 12:07:10 GMT 10
I've only been up here for 5 years so obviously I don't know much about the history of the developments that have taken place on the Central Coast, but.....
Local Councils do have the right to determine how developments are planned and what green space is to be allocated. They also have the responsibility to provide facilities for the population they allow to develop here. Surely they (the Councils) would have known that there would be an increasing demand for sports fields for all types of sports if they kept on approving developments of low density/ semi rural land into typical suburbia?
And how about looking at the balance of use of these sporting fields according to registration numbers rather than just an assumption that Rugby League is the top code?
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