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Post by omni on Jul 24, 2007 22:08:31 GMT 10
"Whole of the ball, whole of the line. Whole of the ball, whole of the line" ~ Michael Kmet 2007I still can't believe I almost scored on Sunday. The SEU keeper only just caught it. it's such a simple concept quite unbelievable how nuts people go about the ball being out if it just grazes the line I called someone for handball last week for doing just that, I agree Mick it is such a simple concept! I'll be reffing WAA4 at SEU on Sunday, I'll leave that to Nutmeg to figure out |
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Post by T on Jul 25, 2007 9:41:35 GMT 10
it's such a simple concept quite unbelievable how nuts people go about the ball being out if it just grazes the line I called someone for handball last week for doing just that, I agree Mick it is such a simple concept! I'll be reffing WAA4 at SEU on Sunday, I'll leave that to Nutmeg to figure out That could be an interesting game to watch! |
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Post by nutmeg on Jul 25, 2007 18:37:07 GMT 10
it's such a simple concept quite unbelievable how nuts people go about the ball being out if it just grazes the line I called someone for handball last week for doing just that, I agree Mick it is such a simple concept! I'll be reffing WAA4 at SEU on Sunday, I'll leave that to Nutmeg to figure out Omni if you can pick up foul throws better than the ref on sunday i'll be happy with that |
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Post by dibo (pron. "DIB-OH") on Jul 25, 2007 19:28:12 GMT 10
I called someone for handball last week for doing just that, I agree Mick it is such a simple concept! I'll be reffing WAA4 at SEU on Sunday, I'll leave that to Nutmeg to figure out Omni if you can pick up foul throws better than the ref on sunday i'll be happy with that a lot of foul throws aren't - i reckon 3 out of 4 foul throws called are perfectly fair. the problem is that people don't realise that if the ball comes from behind the head and over, is propelled in the direction the thrower is looking, the thrower has contact with the cround with both feet and the ball is delivered with 2 hands then it's a fair throw - in other words pretty much anything goes, unless you've got no idea how to throw the ball, which is pretty rare. most foul throws in my comp are given for short throws or throws that are directed downwards - that's not a foul throw assuming it's delivered correctly. |
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Post by omni on Jul 25, 2007 20:56:58 GMT 10
You'd be surprised how many people throw the ball sideways or don't have both feet on the ground though.
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Post by T on Jul 26, 2007 8:47:58 GMT 10
Or don't bring it from behind their head!
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Post by thesandman on Jul 26, 2007 22:57:30 GMT 10
Foul throws are the same as any foul - a number of factors include:-
1)Referee's interpretation of the law (eg dibo says that a throw projected downwards isn't a foul, but many disagree. Both interpretations are understandable, the way the law's written).
2)Referee's leniency (A lot of referees allow anything but the most blatant foul throws. Let's just get on with the game!)
3)Referee's view - as with all things a throw can look fair from one angle and foul from another.
If it was a woman's match then that could also partly explain why the ref may have been overly lenient.
As dibo said - most calls for 'foul throw' aren't a foul throw - it just seems that any throw which is even slightly less than mechanically perfect is greeted by appeals. Most players, though, are happy enough to let the game going and not have the referee interfere in what's really a minor issue. I've never understood why some players get so worked up over them....
Anyway, we play Gosford on Sunday. Looks like I'll still be out - the worst thing about achilles injuries is that they take ages to heal. See what happens.
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Post by dibo (pron. "DIB-OH") on Jul 26, 2007 23:08:28 GMT 10
from law 15 of the laws of the game: At the moment of delivering the ball, the thrower:
• faces the fi eld of play
• has part of each foot either on the touch line or on the ground
outside the touch line
• uses both hands
• delivers the ball from behind and over his head
The thrower may not touch the ball again until it has touched another
player.
All opponents must stand no less than 2 meters from the point at
which the throw-in is taken.
The ball is in play immediately after it enters the fi eld of play. nowhere does it say that you can't throw the ball up or down or whatever, it just says 'delivers the ball from behind and over his head', that's very loose, and for good reason - what good reason is there to pull the game up if there is no clear advantage gained through a breach of the rules? if someone makes a fair attempt in good faith to adhere to the rules and doesn't actually breach them in any way, let the game go on. if the rule is broken, pull it up. otherwise, play on. |
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Post by thesandman on Jul 26, 2007 23:47:11 GMT 10
dibo - just so you know I agree with you. However, one problem with the laws is that at times what they say and what they mean are completely different things. I generally allow a throw that's been thrown down towards the ground - even though this always gets a lot of appealling. Same with short throws. IMO, as long as it's thrown and not dropped, it's good. No point in being too pedantic about 'behind and over his head', or even the feet bit. Still, some people interpret a downwards or 'spiked' throw as not being 'delivered from behind and over the head'. Just depends how you choose to interpret the term delivered, or what you think the spirit of the law is. Like I said, I agree with you, but I can see why there's opposition. Like 'behind the head' - does it mean the ball has to go right down to the level of the head, or merely past the vertical axis? Semantics really, but some referees interpret it the former, others the latter. Again, I support 'let's just get on with the bloody game and not look for reasons to interrupt' theory. Calling a foul throw - and thus handing possession to the other team - is something which can have a major effect on a match over what may be an overly technical decision. Always a little amusing when you see foul throws called in the HAL though  |
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Post by dibo (pron. "DIB-OH") on Jul 26, 2007 23:58:43 GMT 10
dibo - just so you know I agree with you. However, one problem with the laws is that at times what they say and what they mean are completely different things. i could tell, all's good, i just thought the law itself might be handy |
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Post by nutmeg on Jul 28, 2007 18:59:53 GMT 10
Gos 18A's lost to wyoming. Keensy was flown to royal north shore for urgent surgery on his head. he was kneed in the head when saving a goal while keeping. he has multiple skull fractures, fractured cheekbone, fractured eye socket, will probably need facial reconstruction. Hope to see him around soon. another gosford player was taken out in the first minute and couldn't play for his own 16a's team today. ref didn't pick up the hacking all game.
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Post by simmette on Jul 28, 2007 20:05:40 GMT 10
last i heard about keensy was that he was sitting up and joking around, thank heavens.
Sounds like it was touch and go during surgery and he has a long way to go with possible facial recontruction. I'm sure more news will come out in the next few days as the damage to his head and face becomes more clear.
Seems the ref didn't pick up the hacking from the beginning with a Gosford player being taken off in the first few minutes. if the hacking had been pulled up from the beginning this might not have happened.
18A games need strong refs that are willing to pull up things from the beginning before players start thinking they can get away with things
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Post by omni on Jul 28, 2007 22:20:07 GMT 10
Keensy: Don't get well soon, get well now! Terrible that these things happen, but sounds like you're in good spirits.
See you tomorrow Nutmeg
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Post by mariners4ever on Jul 29, 2007 11:32:24 GMT 10
lost to gwandalan 2-0 which was pretty good
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Post by nutmeg on Jul 29, 2007 14:26:53 GMT 10
Gos WAA4s beat southern 2-1. Its good that we had a ref that could pull up foul throws. Also i was warned not to pull an eggy by getting sent off.
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Post by ryan on Jul 29, 2007 18:47:28 GMT 10
In the AA7 battle for 4th spot between Budgewoi and Kanwal... ;D Budgewoi got the 1-0 win we needed to put us back in 4th. Kanwal were unlucky and had a couple of very good chances but we were able to hold them out and score the winner with a couple of minutes to go. The table is very tight at the moment with 3 teams a chance for 4th but hopefully we have set ourselves up for a good run home.
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Post by EGGBA on Jul 29, 2007 18:51:09 GMT 10
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Post by T on Jul 29, 2007 18:53:51 GMT 10
Gos AA3s lost a 2-0 lead at half time to draw with Wyoming today.... frustration frustration frustration
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Post by LeedsMariner#4 on Jul 29, 2007 18:55:23 GMT 10
seu 0-0 toukley
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Post by Fish on Jul 29, 2007 20:45:22 GMT 10
Ourimbah v Woy Woy 0-0 in 5's
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