The Marinators Club - Notice of Inaugural Meeting

[bakery5]

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[dibo (pron. "DIB-OH")]

mrcelery said:

Now that my regular dose of 'The West Wing' is finished. Boo, hoo, sob, sob. Maybe I can use this Club idea as a way to get my fix of all things political.

Certainly the banter in Bay 16 is of the quality of the 'West Wing' series scripts! ;D

i'm not sure we get up to this:

Josh: I need information. I need to know what's happening in the world-- I have no idea what's happening in the world!
Donna: I bought you the paper.
Josh: I read it! Preparations are on the way for the fair-- I'm briefed. Organizors say it's going to be the best one yet. What else you got?
Toby: "Frivolous law firms."
Josh: What?
Toby: He meant to say "frivolous law suits" and he said "frivolous law firms."
Josh: Who?
Toby: [Sarcastically, really meaning Gov. Ritchie] Benjamin Disraeli.
Josh: He misspeaks.
Toby: Yes, he does. He also thinks Sarajevo and Bosnia are two different contries, so that's bit of a setback for the region.
Josh: Yes.
Toby: Chamberlain led England in World War II. I don't mind that he doesn't know history, I mind that he hasn't seen a movie. "Mexico is part of NATO."
Josh: He meant they were an ally.
Toby: What, did they lob a chalupa at the Warsaw Pact?
Josh: I agree, it's not impressive but as you pointed out he's going to be surrounded by...
Toby: Do you think he ever disagreed with one of his advisors? Do you think-- honestly--do you think he's ever said to one of his advisors "I've got a different idea?" I-I don't care if he thinks Luxembourg's an uptown stop on the IRT. And I don't care about the Greco-Roman wrestling matches with the language-- not that polished communication skills are an important part of this job-- what I care about is when he was asked if he'd continue the current U.S. policy in China he said, "First off, I'm going to send them a message-- meet an American leader." I don't know what that means, but everybody cheered.
Josh: Which is one of the reasons that I work full-time for his opponent. I don't know what gave you the impression that I had to be convinced, but I want to win. You want to beat him, and that's a problem for me, because I want to win.
Toby: A rising tide sinks all boats.

[travellingman]

Well, it seems my last post here stirred up some passion. Not really intended that way, more as a heads up to what may happen when you go from a informal group of people getting together, to a organistaion that gives a title to a job that people are alrady doing. It can go to people's heads. Just adding to what Mr. Celery had said previously but perhaps less polished.
Have the thread archived for a couiple of years then come back and look at it - if any of this hasn't happened then the Club will be going great.
Read....very carefully.... the last line of my post. It's in bold print, it is saying PROVE IT WRONG AND I'LL BE HAPPY. Over time that is what I'm hoping for.
Goo dluck to whoever nominates......there will be people watching how this all turns out with interest.
I won;t be goijng to the meeting or nominating, I'm much too happy in my own neck of the woods and only travel to the Cebntral Coast when there's a match on.

[Jeff (LouMacari)]

Celery, I agree that forming an official committee is no guarantee of finacials being secure, and Douglas I sort of understand where you're coming from too (I think) as it's one of my pet hates also to see someone become a little hitler because of a 'title' or position in an official organisation, so what better way to make sure that doesn't happen by getting involved boots n all and helping the others put in place proceedures to guard against that kind of thing.

Dibo, what can I say...except " I love your avatar and it's about bloody time you owned up to being 'Beaker's' twin brother!

[Jesus]

jazzman said:

Jesus, you are correct about the money side of it. Do you know how much money is in the Marinators account right now? No? Would you know if someone DID take out a few hundred? No? The only reason I feel safe about the money at present is because of the people who are currently responsible for it, but what when they've had enough of the thankless efforts and want to move on? There is nothing in place to protect YOUR money. Thats also what this is about.

Yes that was my point. Probably poorly written by myself.

On another note, Is there somewhere to read what the roles of the people who get voted on are? Auburn suggested that people had applied for roles. Is there somewhere I can read the duties etc for each of the roles taking nominations?

[brett]

There is an element to this situation that may help to dispel the little hitler theory.

Some of the people who I know will be nominating for various positions have already been 'running' the Marinators for some time, sacrificing hours, days of their time, using their own resources.

When announcements appear on the forum for gigantic banners or organised buses to Newcastle, it seems so simple! The efforts of the people who bring it together are generally unrecognised and underappreciated. But those same people continue to plan and execute and make things happen because they are passionate about the cause and they love seeing it all come together.

So there are already signs that people will be in this for the right reasons. In my opinion if giving people titles brings some accountability for their great efforts and they get a bit more kudos, it will be fully deserved! Big heads or not.

[Auburn Mariner]

Jesus,

Yes, people have already applied.

See below an outline of what the positions could be (I STRESS that this has to be adopted at our IGM, so this is NOT official, yet):

President-
The President shall act as Chairperson at all meetings of the Club and of the Committees. He shall also be an ex officio member of all sub-committees. He will also present a report to the Annual General Meeting of the Club concerning its activities during the preceding year. He will generally represent the Club both with the Board of CCLC Limited and with the public (including other clubs and associations).

Vice Presidents-
In the absence of the President, any one of the three Vice Presidents shall perform the duties of the President.

VP Marketing/Liaison:
- Control/watch over website content
- First Contact for media, CCLC, Mariners, public, stadium, security, other supporter groups etc
- Promote Marinators events and initiatives through media and any other means
- Advance the Marinators' public image

VP Sponsorship/Fundraising
- Find ways to bring $ into Marinators through external businesses
- Plan and conduct events/competitions to raise funds for the group from within or outside the group
- Help identify financial goals for the Marinators and plan fundraising accordingly

VP Events/Merchandise
- Plan travel options for away trips, including one designated interstate tour of duty per season
- Organise 'extra-cirricular' social events for the Marinators members
- Assist VP Sponsorship/Fundraising in conducting fundraising activities
- Work with VP Marketing to promote organised events to members/public
- Canvas members for popular merchandise options and execute

Club Captain
- Plan a strategic direction for the terrace support of the Mariners
- Coordinate the Marinators club and other supporters on match day
- Arrange banner and flag making
- Work with the VP Merchandise to develop items that will add colour and flair to the support
- Use website to communicate support initiatives to members and public

Secretary/Registrar-
The Secretary shall attend all meetings of the Club and the Committee and keep full and correct minutes of proceedings of same in the book maintained for that purpose. Subject to the directions of the Committee he shall receive and reply to correspondence in relation to the Club and its Officers.

The Secretary will also keep an accurate register of all financial members of the Marinators.

Treasurer-
The Treasurer shall be responsible for the receipt of monies payable to the Marinators and shall promptly deposit such monies to the credit of the Marinators in a bank account approved by CCLC. The Treasurer shall prepare for each meeting of the Club a statement of its financial position and shall pay all accounts after they have been passed for payment by the Club. The Treasurer shall also keep a correct account and record of monies received and disbursed and shall prepare and submit a financial statement and auditor’s report to the Annual Meeting of the Club and also such other statements and accounts as may from time to time be required by CCLC. Books of account shall be kept in accordance with the direction from CCLC.

Hope this helps.

Regards,

Auburn

[kevrenor]

auburnmariner said:

'He shall also be .....'

'... full and correct minutes of proceedings of same in the book maintained for that purpose ..'

He? cough, cough!

Book? hah, hah, hah!

I take it these and others clauses are drawn from the antedeluvian tomes of rules of association for registered clubs!

There seems to be a conflict between the role of President (being the representative of the Marinators club to the public and the VP Media etc. who is first point of contact with public)

I had thought that the term club captain would indicate the one who is responsible for Dinamo Marinators but it is not the case. Who then is? That was one of the reasons for creating the club.

How can the Secretary keep a record of all financial members of the 'Marinators' when there can be no such thing, only members of the Marinators sub-club of CCLC?

Generally these provisions could have done with some work-shopping to simplify them by a wider circle in the March meeting that alas didn't happen.

The three VPs are being given a huge job to do! Perhaps there should be a structure that seeks to bring more people in to do the work needed and spread the load if this grander vision is to be delivered via the club rather than the informal way it has been happening?

Good to see more information coming out anyway which will give everyone plenty of time for consideration and discussion before the IGM. I imagine the rough edges can be knocked off over time with goodwill by all parties.

When will the full draft constitution be published?

Will "virtual" members meetings and Committee meetings be provided for? What will be delegated to the Committee and what will need full voting?

Can how people join up be clarified? You have to first be a member of CCLC, and then you also join this sub-club through presenting at CCLC offices? This can only be done from Tues May 8th? - is that all correct?

How will Marinators a) too young to join the CCLC (I note junior rate), and b) outside of Sydney/Newcastle area and O/S be able to join?

[Auburn Mariner]

He? cough, cough! Kev, this is the wording in the CCLC Constitution template.

Book? hah, hah, hah! Not funny, perfectly reasonable. Doesn't say is can't be a book on a computer. Gotcha!!!

I take it these and others clauses are drawn from the antedeluvian tomes of rules of association for registered clubs! See above, this is the CCLC template.

There seems to be a conflict between the role of President (being the representative of the Marinators club to the public and the VP Media etc. who is first point of contact with public) - slight difference, can be ironed out at the IGM. Prez is the person who has to be accountable, V-P speaks to media.

I had thought that the term club captain would indicate the one who is responsible for Dinamo Marinators but it is not the case. Who then is? That was one of the reasons for creating the club. - No, you're mistaken here, Club captain is correct as listed.

How can the Secretary keep a record of all financial members of the 'Marinators' when there can be no such thing, only members of the Marinators sub-club of CCLC? No, you're mistaken, you have to pay to be a member of the club. You don't pay, you're not a member, like 100,000 other clubs in this country.

Generally these provisions could have done with some work-shopping to simplify them by a wider circle in the March meeting that alas didn't happen. - no, again I strongly disagreee, they are simple, valid, necessary and purposeful. I stress this is a DRAFT, is that not clear from my first post???

The three VPs are being given a huge job to do! Perhaps there should be a structure that seeks to bring more people in to do the work needed and spread the load if this grander vision is to be delivered via the club rather than the informal way it has been happening? - No, the structure is fine, at this time. Again, this is a DRAFT. I think that the Exec structure is fair, equitable and workable.

Good to see more information coming out anyway which will give everyone plenty of time for consideration and discussion before the IGM. I imagine the rough edges can be knocked off over time with goodwill by all parties. - I don't think that there are too many rough edges.

When will the full draft constitution be published? Probably this week.

Will "virtual" members meetings and Committee meetings be provided for? What will be delegated to the Committee and what will need full voting? a. I wouldn't have thought so and b. detailed in Constitution.

Can how people join up be clarified? why, it's pretty clear

You have to first be a member of CCLC, and then you also join this sub-club through presenting at CCLC offices? yes

This can only be done from Tues May 8th? - is that all correct? yes

How will Marinators a) too young to join the CCLC (I note junior rate), and b) outside of Sydney/Newcastle area and O/S be able to join? By paying a fee. People not on the Coast would have the ability to pay on-line. Age issue for Juniors is under discussion now, as we need as many youngsters as possible, this is how young sustain the club.

Cheerio,

Auburn

[mariners4ever]

after the may the 8th are the juniors allowed to go in the CCLC with their parents and purchase the membership as i am under 16 and where will we be able to purchase the memberships

[DJ]

mariners4ever said:

after the may the 8th are the juniors allowed to go in the CCLC with their parents and purchase the membership as i am under 16 and where will we be able to purchase the memberships

Juniors can join the CCLC currently for $2.20 per year, but of course if you are under 18 you need to be accompanied by an adult when in the club. After May 8th you will then be able to join the Marinators sub club for an additional $10 (Juniors) or $20 (adults).

[brett]

Careful Auburn. Remember this constructive criticism is positive, not derogatory!

KR was asking how the Secratary can keep records for all 'Marinators' which by definition will still include any Mariners fan who goes an extra yard to support the team. Auburn, you essentially said that you have to pay to be called a Marinator, which isn't right! The response, kevrenor, is that the above secratary outline is taken from a draft constitution where the term 'Marinators' is elsewhere defined as being members of this club.

For the purposes of this thread it probably should say 'members of the CCLC sub-club' rather than just 'Marinators'.

As for the VP roles, yes they DO have a high workload considering this is a social side-project! But that number of people have been doing all that stuff between them for more than a year. Hopefully seeing the amount of work the likes of Fish and DJ have actually been putting in encourages others to step up and help out where they can too.

[DJ]

Auburn has summed everything up from what I would have to say on this topic, the roles which are being formed is nothing more than what other people are doing currently.

Only thing I will add is for Douglas, whoever Douglas is has been against the Marinators since day 1 anyway having the saying under his old avatar 'Lawries dog makes more sense than some of the comments on here'. Douglas is simply on here to stir so I wouldn't listen too much to him IMO.

[mariners4ever]

so do we have to join the CCLC to become a member of the marinators is that what you were saying DJ

[DJ]

mariners4ever said:

so do we have to join the CCLC to become a member of the marinators is that what you were saying DJ

correct

[mariners4ever]

ok thanks for that DJ

[northernspirit]

cclc memberships are less than $5

[Auburn Mariner]

Careful Auburn. Remember this constructive criticism is positive, not derogatory! - Brett, point taken. I am not afraid of any criticism or suggestions, far from it, but I have the right to answer queries like the good ones made by Kevrenor.

Auburn, you essentially said that you have to pay to be called a Marinator, which isn't right! - No Brett, I am referring SPECIFICALLY to financial members of the CCLC sub-club "The Marinators", which is what is being set-up. To clarify, the Secretary/Registrar has to keep a record of financial members of the CCLC sub-club "The Marinators". This must be done to ensure that any and all votes are made by eligible members.

As for the VP roles, yes they DO have a high workload considering this is a social side-project! But that number of people have been doing all that stuff between them for more than a year. Hopefully seeing the amount of work the likes of Fish and DJ have actually been putting in encourages others to step up and help out where they can too. - This statement should also include LouMacari, Mick and yourself, Brett.

Hope this clears things up somewhat.

Cheerio,

Auburn

[marinermick]

I think it is clear that the Marinators sub-club of the CCLC is not the Marinators. The club is not Bay 16, the club is not pre-drinks at the Kendall.

It is quite evident and those suggestion otherwise is either not getting the point or being purposefully provocative.

To be a Marinator you do not have to join the club. It is your choice.

To the armchair critics, get involved and make sure the club is run well. It is far more democratic and accountable then what currently happens with Marinator activities and finances.

You think someone is being a "little hitler", vote them out.

Both Kevrenor and myself have held strong views about this issue in the past but we see the necessity of this happening and are both nominating for positions. When we both started the Marinators concept the true ideal was of inclusiveness and that will never change.

Ultimately if people do not like the way the club is being run they will not become members, funds will drop and the club will become irrelevant - simple as that.

[dibo (pron. "DIB-OH")]

i will be unable to attend the meeting and cup final viewing as i have football at 9 the following morning. oh cruelty of cruelties, oh torment of torments! why has esfa forsaken us with an early game (against the other title contender) the morning after the cup final?