The Marinators Club - Notice of Inaugural Meeting

[marinermick]

dibo said:

i will be unable to attend the meeting and cup final viewing as i have football at 9 the following morning. oh cruelty of cruelties, oh torment of torments! why has esfa forsaken us with an early game (against the other title contender) the morning after the cup final?

i have a 9am game then i have to rush off to work the next day

[kevrenor]

auburnmariner said:

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I had thought that the term club captain would indicate the one who is responsible for Dinamo Marinators but it is not the case. Who then is? That was one of the reasons for creating the club. - No, you're mistaken here, Club captain is correct as listed.

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....People not on the Coast would have the ability to pay on-line. Age issue for Juniors is under discussion now, as we need as many youngsters as possible, this is how young sustain the club.

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Thanks Auburn, prompt and to the point!

Auburn, just following up on your answers - who will be responsible for Dinamo Marinators?

Good to see people outside the Coast can join on-line - I have been a CCLC for a while and wasn't aware of this facility! More details on this coming out later for them later, or contact the club after May 8?

Great to see the youth issue being actively pursued!

Keep the questions coming people if you need to know something - that is what forums are for! This issue is at least as important as scarves and forum images! Don't go to the meeting not knowing. ;D

Scarves .... damn they will be usefull in Orange, Wellington and Canberra!

[frielcc]

Hi just back and pleased to see you are now a sub club.
I just wanted to point out something Kevrev said about the CCLC and it's involvement.
At no stage was there any negotiations with the Club for entry to the Marinators. It is a simple process of applying to the board in writing. The board then make the decision if they will approve or not. Luckily they did, and I might add earlier than I thought they would.
Even though I used what influence I had, my belief we wouldn't be accepted till next year. It was just because of the boards enthusiasm and support for the Marinators that we got a result.
Kev also mentioned "CCLC will have driven much of that before they agreed to the Club".
We don't run things like that here, bit sad that you think we do. I was asked to see if Marinators could become an internal club, and all my approaches on how to go about it were met with a no questions asked enthusiasm, and nothing in return required. So please don't print otherwise.
What you do with the internal Club is up to you. you will find there is no influence or expectations other than you have been doing already every time you come here. Enjoy yourself and be treated with respect.
Those of you Marinators who do not join the internal will be treated no different than they have before. Have fun and support the Mariners all the way to the Championship.
Congratulations and Thanks
Charles
CCLC

[Jesus]

Thanks Auburn for clearing up the positions for me.

What will be the name of the official Marinators club? I personally think if it is something like "Marinators" then it can be confusing to people. Alot of people who are marinators do not read the forum, and will have no idea what it is about. And may feel excluded as a result.

Personally I would think it more suitable to have the name something like the before mentioned "friends of the marinators", just to make it easily clarifiable. My thoughts

[Auburn Mariner]

Who will be responsible for Dinamo Marinators? - Kev, that is for the players AND the club members to decide. We have not included DM in the Constitution YET, I stress YET, with most of the players in DM actually having their own Central Coast clubs at this time.

Good to see people outside the Coast can join on-line - I have been a CCLC for a while and wasn't aware of this facility! More details on this coming out later for them later, or contact the club after May 8? - Kev, people should be able to PAY online via a transfer to the Marinators account, assuming this is OK with the Exec AND the club's members. Right now, people are to sign up at CCLC, but we will cross this bridge shortly.

Even Sydney-siders like you and I, and Hunter Valley-ites like Dru & the great Celery are in Gosford from time-to-time, but certainly it makes sense for out-of-towners to be able to eventually pay and register online.

Great to see the youth issue being actively pursued! - Yes, young people are vital to the sustainability of the CCMFC AND the Marinators.

Keep the questions coming people if you need to know something - that is what forums are for! This issue is at least as important as scarves and forum images! Don't go to the meeting not knowing. - Yes. Please give us a few hours to answer questions, especially if they are posted during working hours. We will attempt to answer what we can, in an effort to accountable, responsible, equitable and transparent.

Scarves .... damn they will be useful in Orange, Wellington and Canberra! - You bet!! I am expecting Orange to be freezing, as it was very mild last year.

Cheerio,

AM

[Trogdor]

This sounds great!

Is there anyway we can get under 18 in to watch away games? My brother is 16 and cant come in and because we cant get foxtel at home, he misses seeing the game.

I know there is issues with licencing rules ect, but is there any possible solution?

[alicia]

trogdor said:

This sounds great!

Is there anyway we can get under 18 in to watch away games? My brother is 16 and cant come in and because we cant get foxtel at home, he misses seeing the game.

I know there is issues with licencing rules ect, but is there any possible solution?

I could be incorrect, but previously under 18's were allowed in Kendall bar to watch away games (not before home games) providing they had adult supervision. You can't have say a 17 year old come in and have an 18 year old as their 'supervisor' had to be at least 26, I think. Once again, don't quote me, my memory isn't very good lately.

[dru]

alicia said:

trogdor said:

This sounds great!

Is there anyway we can get under 18 in to watch away games? My brother is 16 and cant come in and because we cant get foxtel at home, he misses seeing the game.

I know there is issues with licencing rules ect, but is there any possible solution?

I could be incorrect, but previously under 18's were allowed in Kendall bar to watch away games (not before home games) providing they had adult supervision. You can't have say a 17 year old come in and have an 18 year old as their 'supervisor' had to be at least 26, I think. Once again, don't quote me, my memory isn't very good lately.

This was allowed when we had marinator functions in the Kendall and wasn't something that was all away games, it was times when the Kendall wasn't normally open which limits it to sunday, thursday and monday night games. having said that generally in the bistro area the tvs will be showing sport so getting a friendly staff member to put on the a league shouldn't be to hard.

[bobandbill]

I once went to CCLC with my dad to watch the match against Adeaide before the Grand final... happy times. I remember something about adult supervision required as well. Hence my dad

[~Floss~]

jesus said:

What will be the name of the official Marinators club? I personally think if it is something like "Marinators" then it can be confusing to people. Alot of people who are marinators do not read the forum, and will have no idea what it is about. And may feel excluded as a result.

Personally I would think it more suitable to have the name something like the before mentioned "friends of the marinators", just to make it easily clarifiable. My thoughts

Maybe for now people could just be clearer as to whether they are referring to an Official Marinators Club Member or a Marinator (passionate vocal supporter of the Mariners - as that word has always meant).

Perhaps this is what confused Mariners4ever

[MrCelery]

wyomingtiger said:

There is an element to this situation that may help to dispel the little hitler theory.

Some of the people who I know will be nominating for various positions have already been 'running' the Marinators for some time, sacrificing hours, days of their time, using their own resources.

When announcements appear on the forum for gigantic banners or organised buses to Newcastle, it seems so simple! The efforts of the people who bring it together are generally unrecognised and underappreciated. But those same people continue to plan and execute and make things happen because they are passionate about the cause and they love seeing it all come together.

So there are already signs that people will be in this for the right reasons. In my opinion if giving people titles brings some accountability for their great efforts and they get a bit more kudos, it will be fully deserved! Big heads or not.

Whats' that saying 'Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely"?

Kidding!

By the way this quotation came from Lord Acton in a letter to Bishop Mandell Creighton in 1887:

"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men."

William Pitt the Younger, The Earl of Chatham and British Prime Minister from 1766 to 1778, is sometimes wrongly attributed as the source. He did say something similar though, in a speech to the UK House of Lords in 1770:

"Unlimited power is apt to corrupt the minds of those who possess it"

History 101

[Jeff (LouMacari)]

In fairness Celery, how about you do some research on some small, fledgling organisations that have gone on to really great things because of great leaders, organisers and altruism instead of simply focusing on doom and gloom? Now THAT would be a balanced argument. Or maybe it's just that my glass is always 'half full'

[Foriegnmariner]

Ok say basically we will end up with "Marinators" official board version and "Marinators" Bay 16 drinkin and singin version??

Also congrats Leagues club on putting membership online. haven't gone to details but i hope (i hope i hope) this means i can sign up so i can get access to "official" marinators membership. it would be magnificent.

Will there be a cut off age to be a member because we cant have a 2 yr old baby being a member (possibly 15 as a cut off because all teens that are interested in joining i think are 15 or over anyway)??

I do believe that we need some sort of official board or group of people that are connected with the sponsers and crucial people of the club (CCLC, BTCCS, marketing, media dept of club etc). We need people to organise things the proper and official way to improve the image/respect of the club and the supporter group to show that we are a professional outfit.
This should be what this club should be about showing us (the marinators) as a professionally organised suporter group who know what there doing and will get out in the community to support there club and that were not "hooligans".
Whether you like it or not football is now turning into a business and as the clubs turn more professional business wise so do the supporter groups and this is a great way to become more incorporated with people and the club without losing our passionate drinkin ways to a certain extent .

ok my 2 cents done.

[dibo (pron. "DIB-OH")]

mrcelery said:

Whats' that saying 'Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely"?

Kidding!

By the way this quotation came from Lord Acton in a letter to Bishop Mandell Creighton in 1887:

"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men."

William Pitt the Younger, The Earl of Chatham and British Prime Minister from 1766 to 1778, is sometimes wrongly attributed as the source. He did say something similar though, in a speech to the UK House of Lords in 1770:

"Unlimited power is apt to corrupt the minds of those who possess it"

History 101

and a similarly great historical figure and speaker of fine words, theodore roosevelt, said this of those who strive to do great things:

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.

so starting a sub-club of the leaguesy is hardly building a great commonwealth that spans a continent and shines as a beacon of democracy, but the point is that when good people try to do good things, sometimes it's good to give credit to their efforts and maybe see where it's going. if it fails, unfortunate, but that they tried is good in itself.

as for the nature of the group, of any critics i'll paraphrase LBJ's comments about j. edgar hoover (not that i equate the critics with the former president):

better to be inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in

in other words, the critics should get in the tent and see how it goes. you can exercise greater influence and achieve more good by participating in the process and holding to account those who seek positions.

participate - hold people accountable, but don't forget to get your hands on the rope and pull as well.

[kevrenor]

frielcc said:

Hi just back and pleased to see you are now a sub club.
I just wanted to point out something Kevrev said about the CCLC and it's involvement.
At no stage was there any negotiations with the Club for entry to the Marinators. It is a simple process of applying to the board in writing. The board then make the decision if they will approve or not. Luckily they did, and I might add earlier than I thought they would.
Even though I used what influence I had, my belief we wouldn't be accepted till next year. It was just because of the boards enthusiasm and support for the Marinators that we got a result.
Kev also mentioned "CCLC will have driven much of that before they agreed to the Club".
We don't run things like that here, bit sad that you think we do. I was asked to see if Marinators could become an internal club, and all my approaches on how to go about it were met with a no questions asked enthusiasm, and nothing in return required. So please don't print otherwise.
What you do with the internal Club is up to you. you will find there is no influence or expectations other than you have been doing already every time you come here. Enjoy yourself and be treated with respect.
Those of you Marinators who do not join the internal will be treated no different than they have before. Have fun and support the Mariners all the way to the Championship.
Congratulations and Thanks
Charles CCLC

My apologies Charles ... making assumptions based on ignorance with other places and times in mind often leads one off the mark! If the CCLC has had an open acceptance of this new sub-club without any hoop jumping I am impressed! Nothing sinister suggested though just fuddy duddi-ness and red tape at work usually!

[kevrenor]

You've gotta love this forum! Lord Acton, Pitt the Younger, Theodore Roosevelt ....
You don't get name dropping like this on just any forum!
Should we start up a philosophy board?
Eat your hearts out Tards and Scum... ;D

dibo said:

mrcelery said:

Whats' that saying 'Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely"?

Kidding!

By the way this quotation came from Lord Acton in a letter to Bishop Mandell Creighton in 1887:

"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men."

William Pitt the Younger, The Earl of Chatham and British Prime Minister from 1766 to 1778, is sometimes wrongly attributed as the source. He did say something similar though, in a speech to the UK House of Lords in 1770:

"Unlimited power is apt to corrupt the minds of those who possess it"

History 101

and a similarly great historical figure and speaker of fine words, theodore roosevelt, said this of those who strive to do great things:

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.

so starting a sub-club of the leaguesy is hardly building a great commonwealth that spans a continent and shines as a beacon of democracy, but the point is that when good people try to do good things, sometimes it's good to give credit to their efforts and maybe see where it's going. if it fails, unfortunate, but that they tried is good in itself.

as for the nature of the group, of any critics i'll paraphrase LBJ's comments about j. edgar hoover (not that i equate the critics with the former president):

better to be inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in

in other words, the critics should get in the tent and see how it goes. you can exercise greater influence and achieve more good by participating in the process and holding to account those who seek positions.

participate - hold people accountable, but don't forget to get your hands on the rope and pull as well.

[dibo (pron. "DIB-OH")]

kevrenor said:

You've gotta love this forum! Lord Acton, Pitt the Younger, Theodore Roosevelt ....
You don't get name dropping like this on just any forum!
Should we start up a philosophy board?
Eat your hearts out Tards and Scum... ;D

i just love the writing (maybe i'm just a complete tosser though...). am a fan of don watson's work, especially 'death sentence', and to read ideas so well expressed is really great. beats the hell out of this, from our own PM today -

Higher wages paid in very profitable sectors of the economy will flow through the system to other industries which can’t afford them with adverse economic consequences including job losses. There’s also a microeconomic case for WorkChoices that often gets overlooked in the debate. Flexibility at the workplace creates an environment that encourages innovation, the acceptance of new technology and the development of worker skills.

leave aside the politics of it, look at the language. who, in the general community, uses the word microeconomic? who can point out the difference between macro and micro?

what the hell does flexibility mean? it's a placeholder for a whole ideological construct that is simply assumed to be present in the mind of the listener or in this case, the reader. the whole thing is just jargon and pap. coded words and political devices designed to spark a reaction in certain sectors of the community and shoot straight over the heads of the rest.

and then you look at roosevelt - 'The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings'

that *says* something. that gives you a bit of a spark, and you want to get your hands dirty, to roll up the sleeves and put your shoulder to the wheel, and if you can't move it you'll get your mates together and together you'll get the thing rolling.

...and you don't need to have done economics at uni to know what he meant.

[Jeff (LouMacari)]

Nice Dibo, all thats left for me to say is ...




'what dibo said' !

See what a wordsmith I am!

[marinermick]

i stopped reading at "i just love writing"

[dibo (pron. "DIB-OH")]

marinermick said:

i stopped reading at "i just love writing"

you won't be the only one.

dibo's off again... *sigh*, skip to next post!