Cival War with the Marinators...

[Chimmi Churri]

Eh, the only chants I refuse to sing either include a players (or refs) family, "the CC is wonderful" or the horrible stand up for the Mariners (few people do) and Mariners fans in the stands (that one needs a quick death) chants -

Even though we were disheartened by the reffing in the game i'm sure the boys felt it even more than we did. We need to back them up at those times - not sit quietly.

[honey soy]

The reason we sing is to encourage the players. They need to be able to hear us. I think what Brett and Co are doing is fantastic. The noise is moving closer to the pitch and if they will sacrifice viewing the game to support their team I have no problem moving forward to do so, too.

I agree with Chimmi. I don't sing the mean or swearing songs. That said, if they are funny and imaginative then I do, sometimes. The Tommy Tomich Strawberry Gateau song was hilarious. Even he seemed to enjoy it just before he let a goal in.

[Perm]

bearinator said:

afrosean said:

mate who cares if the Marinators are "angry" or not in the mood to sing because of the decisions on the field and the football being played? Noone.
it effects our image as a group if all we do is go quiet,grumble to ourselves and refuse to join chants just out of anger of the football being played (which in my opinion the boys tried hard in the second half and we were exciting as always).

we are a SUPPORTER group and the team really needs us to support, so it does mean singing and doing so in a style that would encourage them to play better. (Come on Mariners!)

Yes, we are supporters, and as supporters we have emotions. What your suggesting sounds to me like no matter what happens, we should put our emotions aside and keep singing. Im in bay 16 to support my team, feel their emotions, and role and react to whats happening, not act like some muppet dangling from string who is expected to sing every song. Nor will I sit here and be made feel guilty when I stop singing for a short time to have a dig at the ref for the performance he has put in. Fans dont come much more passionate than myself, but f***ed if im going to sit here and cop indirect shit because I dont join in to EVERY SINGLE f***IN MARINERS CHANT.

Because i was aiming my post at you right Bear?

[honey soy]

Oh yeah, and 'Everywhere we go ..." makes me twitch like a crazy lady.

A few weeks ago there was a kid somewhere outside my office window singing it for an hour and a half. He never got to the 'We are the ...' shouting bit, it just didn't end.

[Perm]

hehe
as much as you hate that chant, it was one of the loudest yesterday.

[honey soy]

afrosean said:

hehe
as much as you hate that chant, it was one of the loudest yesterday.

Yeah. Its always good cos everyone knows it, it builds momentum.

Pity the tune gouges out my nervous system.

[Bearinator]

afrosean said:

bearinator said:

Yes, we are supporters, and as supporters we have emotions. What your suggesting sounds to me like no matter what happens, we should put our emotions aside and keep singing. Im in bay 16 to support my team, feel their emotions, and role and react to whats happening, not act like some muppet dangling from string who is expected to sing every song. Nor will I sit here and be made feel guilty when I stop singing for a short time to have a dig at the ref for the performance he has put in. Fans dont come much more passionate than myself, but f***ed if im going to sit here and cop indirect shit because I dont join in to EVERY SINGLE f***IN MARINERS CHANT.

Because i was aiming my post at you right Bear?

Well, as I said in my post, in an indirect way, yes you were. I dont sing every single song, a) because my job requires me to work on the phone and I sometimes cant talk the day after a game from over singing and b) because sometimes I dont want to. Just watched my team go down to a bad ref and patches of ordinary play, do I feel like singing "mariners, clap clap clap"?? no. And thats my decision, and quite obviously the decision of a lot of people. Its not fair to put people down just because thats how they react to disappointment.

[Perm]

i understand what youre saying, i find myself like that too. yelling at the ref etc is fine. but whos going to sing if we don't? its really up to us regulars to keep pushing.

[dibo (pron. "DIB-OH")]

afrosean said:

hehe
as much as you hate that chant, it was one of the loudest yesterday.

it'd be nice to slow it down to start with though, it starts at a million miles an hour and gets faster from there...

[brett]

Not meaning to pick on you Bear, but I'll start with your quote because you are probably right in that a fair few people join this attitude:

"b) because sometimes I dont want to. Just watched my team go down to a bad ref and patches of ordinary play, do I feel like singing "mariners, clap clap clap"?? no. And thats my decision, and quite obviously the decision of a lot of people. Its not fair to put people down just because thats how they react to disappointment."

Which is disappointing and ordinary for the group as a whole. It is the players who should be feeling despondent after a ridiculous send off and going a goal down. It is our job as the vocal supporters to lift them out of that hole.

The songs to bag out the ref were loud enough, why not the ones to then try to lift the boys? If we only sing when we're winning as the above sentiment suggests then can we just publicise this so those down the front needn't bother sacrificing their view to try get things going?

Talking to Leisa today, who sits up in the platinums, she was saying that there was more noise coming out of those areas than ours. She rightly points out that it is those fans who will slag the ref occasionally, cheer when we win and clap their hands in the dying stages of the game, and that the Marinators are the ones who are supposed to be breaking the trend and prompting the rest of the crowd throughout the match. We are becoming what everyone else is so why bother standing behind the goals to do that? Again Bear - don't take this personally, I'm talking about people who I didn't see singing one song, and the general lack of noise. Credit to you for putting that view forward.

For what you said earlier - I'm not claiming that we should be Urawa Reds fans who sang through their team conceding a goal. That was weird - they were detached from their team. Yes, there are a few minutes to be disappointed and a bit flat.

But it's like we wait all week for the game, wake up excited for the game, get nervous before the game desperate for a win, get in the Kendall and talk about the game, go to the game early to get good spots, sing a few songs, concede, then decide we can't be f***ed because things are going our way. As the vocal supporters its our job to lift at this point.

I should point out that the whole point of this isn't to whine at people or make them do something they don't want to, it's about getting down into why the bay is so quiet this season and finding an answer for everyone's sake.

Another problem is that every time the club gets an email about the Marinators swearing, we get told to tone it down and it's been self-policed to the point that most of the pisshead 20-odd-year-old boys have left for less 'school carnival'-like pastures. Where have guys like hotdogs, neil mcandrew and their mates etc gone? They are still there on away trips. These guys actually provided a lot of the noise, funny songs and characters in season one.

How do we get these people back?

Now we have a lot of younger types or people you don't see in the Kendall, and in moderation alcohol is what gets a lot of people singing! Sunday games have absolutely f***ing killed us in this sense.

[Ursus]

Tiger, it is all in the ..............................timing.

I agree with what you say but you have to let people get over an opposition goal etc...

Do not start too soon after a disaster or you get a half hearted response which can be worse than none at all.
You must also give the players that little bit of time to allow the disappointment to dissipate and for it to turn into let's hammer these bastards.

This is also a reason why I dislike continuous chanting and singing. Put all your energy into key times and really lift the stadium.

It will come with experience.

[Adz]

So many opposing views flying around... you won't get everyone agreeing to one way so it just needs someone to say "this is how it is, if you don't like it, stiff shit"... otherwise no decisions will be made because every time someone says something, someone else will shoot them down. Too many chiefs around here.

[~Floss~]

adz said:

So many opposing views flying around... you won't get everyone agreeing to one way so it just needs someone to say "this is how it is, if you don't like it, stiff shit"... otherwise no decisions will be made because every time someone says something, someone else will shoot them down. Too many chiefs around here.

Yep, was just going to say, you'll never please everyone at once.

Brett, what you're doing on the mega is working; coordination within the bay is improved.

By asking what people want, you will struggle to find a clear answer. There are a lot of people with different opinions and different preferences, and to make it harder a lot of them are very passionate about their vision for the bay.

It's been said by some on here that over time some chants will work and others won't. For things to evolve loke that, there will have to be particular chants that particular people sometimes don't get as involved in. It may not mean that they object to the guy on the megaphone.
- If there's a song or chant that 1or2 people don't sing, they might have a reason like some of those posted above
- If there's a song or chant that most people don't sing, it might be one that's not going to work
- If there's a person who doesn't sing any of the songs or chants, i agree; WTF are they doing there? Must be bloody deaf - OI

[skilbeck]

floss said:

adz said:

So many opposing views flying around... you won't get everyone agreeing to one way so it just needs someone to say "this is how it is, if you don't like it, stiff shit"... otherwise no decisions will be made because every time someone says something, someone else will shoot them down. Too many chiefs around here.

Yep, was just going to say, you'll never please everyone at once.

Brett, what you're doing on the mega is working; coordination within the bay is improved.

By asking what people want, you will struggle to find a clear answer. There are a lot of people with different opinions and different preferences, and to make it harder a lot of them are very passionate about their vision for the bay.

It's been said by some on here that over time some chants will work and others won't. For things to evolve loke that, there will have to be particular chants that particular people sometimes don't get as involved in. It may not mean that they object to the guy on the megaphone.
- If there's a song or chant that 1or2 people don't sing, they might have a reason like some of those posted above
- If there's a song or chant that most people don't sing, it might be one that's not going to work
- If there's a person who doesn't sing any of the songs or chants, i agree; WTF are they doing there? Must be bloody deaf - OI

i dont want to sound like im whinging but i noticed the megaphone isnt reaching the area i was in the bay enough for people to take notice and i was at the back on the side towards bay 17. i noticed it all still seems pretty quiet around there with only me and a few of my mates chanting. when it went quiet i had to put up with teenage girl gossip all game and that shitted me to tears so i reckon there needs to be more coordination with the sides of the bay or else they wont catch on to chants. and neither will 15 and 17.

[Auburn Mariner]

I note the comment above about too many Chiefs........

First, there is no Civil War inside our group. DIsagreements, sure, but Civil War....a trifle excessive, wouldn't you say.

It was fiery in the Home End yesterday. GOOD!! The passion showed was just fantastic. The referee was below par, our blokes tried VERY hard, and we lost. Hey, this sort of thing happens.

Despite all of the varied opinions expressed above, I REALLY enjoyed the Home End yesterday. The return of Yellowbeard, the unity shown in our justified disapproval of the officiating, a gutsy performance by our 10 men, all of this made yesterday a real blast. Good to see the great J Edgar Hoover back in group as well, as well as the Old Firm of Rodent, Grunta and Saffron.

I was at the back for the first time in a while yesterday, and I agree; the megaphone needs a serious sound boost. They are NOT cheap items, but with Brett and Dibo manfully taking on the megaphone role, for consistency and fluency, we need a better sound projector, one that is CLEAR to the entire Home End.

I personally find it difficult to know when to start any given chant, and if I'm unsure of the right timing, I wait. That's just me.

My final point is that I struggle to chant at full tilt for 90 minutes like I have previously. I am crook for days afterward with headaches and dodgy blood pressure, so I have to pick and choose my moments. If we are to improve, we need multiple people with the desire, voice and song-knowledge to keep up the intensity for the whole game.

Regards,

AM

[greenpoleffc]

I also find singing non stop for 90 mins too hard. I pick and choose otherwise I am screwed (vocally) for days.

At the back of 15 you cant hear the megaphone and try to join in when you hear others or we start our own (because we cant hear perhaps).

TBH, a lot of people not staying behind to clap the boys' efforts shit me far more than patchy singing.

[brett]

ursus said:

Tiger, it is all in the ..............................timing.

I agree with what you say but you have to let people get over an opposition goal etc...

Do not start too soon after a disaster or you get a half hearted response which can be worse than none at all.
You must also give the players that little bit of time to allow the disappointment to dissipate and for it to turn into let's hammer these bastards.

This is also a reason why I dislike continuous chanting and singing. Put all your energy into key times and really lift the stadium.

It will come with experience.

I understand this and I agree - starting a chant immediately after conceding is showing a detachment from the disappointment the boys are feeling. Give it a minute.

I'm fired up because people were out of sorts for the next 85 minutes after the goal yesterday.

Interesting about not being able to hear up the back. Wish I'd known this. The mega does have louder settings than what I've been using it on but the quality gets scratchy at the top end. I will try that next time tho.

[Fish]

Im with Bear,

I have never sung every chant at every game and will never do so. I enjoy catching up with mates up the back and having a chat about life,the game at hand whatever,and if Im going to be scrutinised for doing so then anyone who wants to tell me to sing all the time or go sit somewhere else can f*** off.

IMO the megaphones need to move more to the back of the Bay as noise gets projected far more easier and clearer going forward rather than trying to shoot it through 100 or so bodies to reach the guys up the back and to the sides of surrounding bays.

There has been enough discussion about getting the middle section or the front involved and were still arguing the point?

Yesterday for me was like V1 up the back with blokes I enjoy spending a couple of hours with,making up new chants on the run, taking the piss out of each other and I aint going to apologise to anyone for that.

[DJ]

sjf said:

IMO the megaphones need to move more to the back of the Bay as noise gets projected far more easier and clearer going forward rather than trying to shoot it through 100 or so bodies to reach the guys up the back and to the sides of surrounding bays.

agreed - unless some1 wants to turn their back on the game down the front? not me

chanting football songs isn't about organising anyway, it's about a bloke (or woman) standing in a bay and blasting out a song as they please, and if people wanna join in the will. On the spot chants are the best 1's, sure some direction is needed but generally I say just go with the flow and enjoy the game!

Oh and I agree that there was plenty of noise up the back

[brett]

Everybody's a victim...this isn't about sing every song or f*** off. It's about turning around to see the same faces not joining in...seemingly ever. Leaving out the odd song is fine and I do it too, but we were so quiet, where were the songs when everyone WAS into it?

Do we need to sing 10 songs a game to make sure everyone sings those 10?