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Post by Bearinator on Oct 16, 2007 13:58:52 GMT 10
I can tell you, this constant bitching about everything is going to drive some people away in the end, and already has
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Post by thesandman on Oct 16, 2007 14:06:01 GMT 10
Instead of driving people away, any ideas on how to attract more people?
(that wasn't attacking what you said Bearinator, in case it came off that way)
Sydney can get the same number of people to a game as us, but still have 5 full bays of singing supporters (as well as everybody else joining in the easy ones), whereas we get half to 2/3 a bay of singing supporters...why is that? Is it just because coasties in general couldn't be arsed?
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Post by bakery5 on Oct 16, 2007 14:09:14 GMT 10
Instead of driving people away, any ideas on how to attract more people? (that wasn't attacking what you said Bearinator, in case it came off that way) Sydney can get the same number of people to a game as us, but still have 5 full bays of singing supporters (as well as everybody else joining in the easy ones), whereas we get half to 2/3 a bay of singing supporters...why is that? Is it just because coasties in general couldn't be arsed? Do sydney get 8-9,000 at their games?  |
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Post by Bearinator on Oct 16, 2007 14:12:54 GMT 10
Its because the people that go to Sydney games are seasoned football fans. If per capita sydney got as many people as we did, they would need a bigger stadium
The central coast has people who are football fans, us, and fans of anything sport and central coast, them. They will support the team, but dont feel the need to sing, which is fine by me
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Post by thesandman on Oct 16, 2007 14:15:30 GMT 10
I said 'CAN' bakery. There have been times, in the occasional match, where our crowds have been comparable to Sydney (or at least, not too far off it - certainly not enough to explain the difference in supporters groups by numbers alone).
Bearinator's response seems to make sense.
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Post by marinermick on Oct 16, 2007 14:19:26 GMT 10
Its because the people that go to Sydney games are seasoned football fans. If per capita sydney got as many people as we did, they would need a bigger stadium The central coast has people who are football fans, us, and fans of anything sport and central coast, them. They will support the team, but dont feel the need to sing, which is fine by me also, the coast is predominantly white anglo australian background australians don't a huge tradition of song and dance in their culture and they do not celebrate much through song and outwards signs of emotions culturally we are reserved in our emotions, more so on the coast sydney and melbourne has a larger ethnic population that are more predisposed to outward signs of emotions and are used to celebrating in song |
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Post by brett on Oct 16, 2007 14:36:57 GMT 10
They sing in England so I don't think it's a white vs ethnic thing, more an Australian vs overseas thing in general.
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Post by marinermick on Oct 16, 2007 14:39:25 GMT 10
They sing in England so I don't think it's a white vs ethnic thing, more an Australian vs overseas thing in general. yep didn't mention england for that reason - more of an australian thing just didn't want to say that the coast is more australian because it is not the difference in atmosphere in league and union from the UK is massive even the cricket - the australian group that tried to match the barmy army ultimately failed due to lack of numbers |
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Post by serious14 on Oct 16, 2007 14:51:57 GMT 10
Flare ripping hooligans the lot of them.  |
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Post by Auburn Mariner on Oct 16, 2007 16:13:42 GMT 10
Time for a reality check.
The person who sang "It's full of T, F & the M" is nowadays not a regular Home End patron (yes, I know EXACTLY who it was). A lot of people have expressed dissatisfaction with the song, that's why the regular Home End dwellers DO NOT sing it.
Have you sat down and actually analysed how non-offensive we are, MOST of the time?
One young bloke started a chant relating to certain Jet tool (no names, but his initials are Joel Griffiths) that involved the C*** word. He was right next to some of our female Marinators. I said, "Mate, don't use that word....ever", he copped it on the chin, and we moved on. He was in the same spot last Sunday, lesson learnt.
We sing VERY different songs to two years ago (answer this one, truthfully; when was the last time you heard "T&*( out for the boys"?).
I am personally sick and tired of non-Marinator whingers complaining or bitching about us. The Home End is NOT a family place, we clearly do our best work with self-regulation, and will continue to do so. As has been pointed out above, we have a very different culture in our country from Europe, and many people will ALWAYS bag passionate supporters like us, whatever we do. Leave them to their own petty lives, and continue to be be proud, loud and passionate.
Have your say on here, fine, no probs. However, if you are in the crowd, and something is said that is uncalled for, DO SOMETHING about it. That's right, be assertive, you should know the Senior people in our group if you don't want confrontation, but be decisive, seize the moment, and above all, keep your cool.
We all want a firing, revved-up Home End. By being patient, assertive and calm, we will get to where we want.
One more thing; GO MARINERS this weekend.
Regards,
AM
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Post by serious14 on Oct 16, 2007 16:26:48 GMT 10
Thank you David - sanity prevailing from you yet again.
The point is if most of the media in this country plus the more whinging elements got their way, we'd be nothing more than an AFL cheer squad lamely reciting the same 3 things over and over and over and conforming to every PC rule in the book, just because we're expected to.
I caught myself smiling for a minute on Sunday at the sheer amount of passion on display after that red card was given...... no other sport in the country (or world) can match that, and I refuse to dumb it down for the sake of a few who might be offended by me informing the referee that is wife is a whore, or that Joel Griffiths is f*cked.
Funnily enough, I've actually been pretty quiet at the last two home games 'cause I've had a nasty chest and ear infection - it's a different view to hear when you're not starting songs a lot of the time.
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Post by dibo (pron. "DIB-OH") on Oct 16, 2007 16:45:10 GMT 10
there aren't that many non-marinators that complain. more often than not (including one spectacular and long-running barney that happened on these pages about 2 and a bit years ago) it's been a debate had and settled internally.
like i said then and maintain today, we evolve over time and we sing different things and that's how it ought to be. we don't have a thought police, a bureau of appropriate songs or a ministry for the control of terrace language - we self-regulate and that's the way it ought to be.
self-regulation includes being responsive to concerns from inside the group (and outside as well when relevant).
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Post by ~Floss~ on Oct 16, 2007 19:06:15 GMT 10
But then again I can't say I've ever heard anybody complaining about 'those filthy mouthed marinators'  That's because outside of bays 15-17 the words aren't clear enough, which is perfect. When you see an EPL or European match with fantastic atmosphere on TV, you can't really distinguish the words (unless you already know them). How many of those songs actually contain swearing, that you don't even know about? The bays district should be responsible for radiating a football atmosphere of football-type song. ......IMO (as said earlier, a lot of differing opinions going round). The more family-friendly sections are getting pretty good at doing family-friendly chants lately. I wouldn't recommend swearing through a megaphone that's aimed forwards (towards the crowd-noise mic), but otherwise any swearing coming from bay 16 would be indecipherable from the other stands or on TV. |
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Post by dibo (pron. "DIB-OH") on Oct 16, 2007 19:21:04 GMT 10
The more family-friendly sections are getting pretty good at doing family-friendly chants lately. i gotta ask, what are they singing? |
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Post by thesandman on Oct 16, 2007 19:40:18 GMT 10
Floss - I've spent the last 2/3 matches sitting around halfway (I plan on migrating back to bay 16 though), or even the far side, near the palm trees. I'd say that at least 1/3 comes through loud and clear, with no trouble making out most/all of the words. Like your avatar btw I don't really care too much myself (in case it sounded that way in my earlier post!) Anyway, we've already had the swearing debate on quite a number of occasions. We did modify the language in some songs, and aside from the one song that was raised in this thread nobodoy really seems to be complaining, so I reckon we can put this descussion to rest ( at least for another couple of months anyway!) dibo - Usually the only chants I hear when I'm AWOL from Bay 16 are 'mariners! *clap clap clap*. And occasionally, if somebody's feeling adventurous, 'come on mariners! Come on Mariners!'  Occasionally a 'here we go' or 'let's go mariners let's go' is heard as well.... |
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Post by greenpoleffc on Oct 16, 2007 19:40:22 GMT 10
TBH, chants that use the c word or contain gratuitous swearing are pretty lame and smack of little boys being naughty TBH.
Swearing is part of the game, I'm betting there was fair bit in the posh bays on Sunday (there sure was in 15). The difference is that it was individual and specific to one person (whether that be Reddy, Tiatto or the ref).
I work on the basis that if you go to 15/16/17 then you need to be prepared for raw emotion and that will mean swearing.
Blantantly sexist songs have no real place in our lexicon and I understand ladies being offended - I just find it embarrassing.
Agree with Dibo - other than Mariners Clap Clap Clap, what do they sing??
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Post by MrCelery on Oct 16, 2007 19:58:18 GMT 10
I also find singing non stop for 90 mins too hard. I pick and choose otherwise I am screwed (vocally) for days. Indeedy. It's not for want of trying, but you young 'uns have to realise that 30 years of hard core singing takes a serious toll on vocal cords. Try as I might, if I don't pace myself I end up after three songs sounding like I've sucked on a helium balloon. I few beers helps, but not much. And Monday's at work I'm a write off, vocally-wise (much to the satisfaction of my work collegues I might add) Enjoy it while you can, give 100%, but appreciate others limitations. ps. Clarification: This does not excuse emo Bay16ers who have the capacity but don't use it. |
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Post by MrCelery on Oct 16, 2007 20:05:47 GMT 10
If we leave out everything that offends someone, you'd be left with "Mariners, cla-cla-clap" and "Lets go Mariners Lets Go" Yeeeeewwwwww. Nooooooooo!  That's almost (but not quite) as bad as hearing the Scum sing, the Drugby League song: "C'mon Neeew-caaar-suuul!" |
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Post by ~Floss~ on Oct 16, 2007 20:14:57 GMT 10
The more family-friendly sections are getting pretty good at doing family-friendly chants lately. i gotta ask, what are they singing? They can get "Mariners Clap, Clap, Clap" going no problem. Nothing much beyond that though. |
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Post by RECKY on Oct 19, 2007 9:24:32 GMT 10
Well said AM....Mrs recky and meself agree totally...we dont go up the bay anymore since Mrs recky copped an serious earful last season, good fortune smiled on us and we got season tickets courtesy of the mariners and telstra, but we weren't going to the bay 16 regardless this season and that was our decision like AM said its not a family orientated place, if you dont like it there ...simple, plenty of other seats in the place..... and his right, the songs are almost completely different from season one
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Occasionally a 'here we go' or 'let's go mariners let's go' is heard as well....
