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Post by bruce on Nov 1, 2004 3:01:09 GMT 10
... If it is Saturday night like the Coasties then: Assuming 7:30pm - C 5:17pm S 5:29pm Epp 5:39 H 5:49 WW 6:23 G 6:32 Back - slow trains G (9:44!!?) or G 10:51 WW 11:02 H 11:41 E 11:51 S 12:02 C 12:14 (ie. 7pm games would be better for weekends) Yes, and with Cap'n Chaos at the helm of the Ministry of Transport, we would expect that to get worse rather than better on the weekend, so 7:00pm would definitely be better for a Saturday game. Of course, since they are starting the season in mid-winter, maybe 5:30 Saturday would be a better start until it hits summer.
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Post by bruce on Oct 30, 2004 18:29:01 GMT 10
... Hopefully one of our Sydney-based mates can do a similar trainspotting guide for southerly Central Coast Mariners supporters. ... Actually, they give northbound schedules to Novacastrians too, since to get them to travel down to Sin City, they have to be confident that they can escape again as well. The northbound express that arrives in advance of 6pm is: Central 4.27; Strathfield 4.41; Hornsby 5.01; Woy Woy 5.38; Gosford 5.51 The northbound express that arrives at 7pm is: Central 5.42; Strathfield 5.54; Hornsby 6.17; Woy Woy 6.51; Gosford 7.00. And of course, since that is peak hour heading in the same direction as the commuter return, there is an express and a local travelling between the two listed schedules.
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Post by bruce on Dec 4, 2004 14:35:42 GMT 10
Perhaps I didn't make myself clear... Asia Pacific Cup 4 A-League clubs and 8 Asian clubs from: China PR Japan South Korea Indonesia Malaysia Philippines Singapore Thailand ... You can avoid the bye with crossover groups, which also makes for hosting by champions and premiers/runnersup from previous year. This is if you want to stretch out the games. Round 1: A1 v B1, A2 v B2, A3 v B3 (Premiers host) C1 v D1, C2 v D2, C3 v D3 (Champions host) Round 2: A1 v B2, A2 v B3, A3 v B1 C1 v D2, C2 v D3, C3 v D1 Round 3: A1 v B3, A2 v B1, A3 v B2 C1 v D3, C2 v D1, C3 v D2 Sort groups by record, four third ranking teams go home. A first v A runner up, B first v B runner up, winner travel to site of Champions group. C first v C runner up, D first v D runner up Winner A v Winner C Winner B v Winner D 3rd place playoff Loser A/C v Loser B/D Winner A/C v Winner B/D If you want to have a quicker tournament, use the knockthrough that is already used for two-round, four nation tournaments and extend it to a third round for an eighth nation: Game 1: A1 v A3 Game 2: A2 v A4 Game 3: B1 v B3 Game 4: B2 v B4 Game 5: #1 loser v # 2 loser Game 6: #3 loser v #4 loser Game 7: #1 winner v #2 winner Game 8: #3 winner v #4 winner Game 9 (Plate): #5 winner v #6 winner Game 10 (Shield): #7 loser v #8 loser Game 11 (Cup): #7 winner v #8 winner The advantage of that is you can easily fit it into two weekends and an intervening week. Since the Asian CL finishes early December, this would make an excellent event in the final two weekends prior to Christmas, then the following weekend off, then start up the regular season again the following weekend.
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Post by bruce on Dec 4, 2004 14:21:16 GMT 10
Sounds a great idea, however it might be a bit tricky to get a pass from the misses to an away game... ;D To all of them, maybe ... surely the missus would like a holiday to either SE Asia or the Pacific? You could mention the game on arrival.
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Post by bruce on Nov 30, 2004 15:29:18 GMT 10
Reading article on TWG (O'Neill urges players home) and one bit got me worried: "The ASA also has plans to expand into Asia with an A-League combination to play Asian club teams." Does this mean that there will be a "rep side" playing against Asian clubs? I thought that plan was for our top clubs to play in an annual tournament with Asian clubs. This is a concern. Note that they could do both, one or the other, and a major factor is not what we want, but what we can get interest from in Asia. For example, there could be an Asia-Pacific Challenge Cup played at a suitable time with four A-league clubs and four invited clubs, sorted into two groups of four -- say the previous years Champions and Premiers might host the groups. AND Australian A and/or Australian Olympic A team chosen from A-league clubs could tour, say, the Pacific and Southeast Asia and play tour games against national or olympic sides. A four team tournament in New Zealand with the Melanesian and Polynesian champions and a four team tournament in Singapore with ASEANSF teams would be great post-season events.
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Post by bruce on Nov 14, 2004 2:27:56 GMT 10
Greetings from Sydney Essentially this mail is to state that we will be the new kid on the block. I thought you were a Thugby League team?? Im not just on here to stir but to outline some facts Say that the CC Mariners are a League team and you are not here to stire? Liar, pants, fire. Sydney has: - What, 8 and a half League sides - 1 ozzie rules side - 1 rah rahs side - 2 basketball sides - the bulk of NSW cricket and international tests Adding the Arrogant Sydney Sider Football Club (A.S.S.F.C.), that would be 14 interstate or national league franchises for the supposed 4m (but that is not really the Sydney basin, that spreads out to include parts of the rest of metro NSW). About 285,000 per club. So on that front, the Mariners start in front. Sydney has: - the highest ad rates in the world to get exposure - newspaper sporting desks already allocated to fiefdoms for the "major" sports which will adopt a "we will believe it when we see it, and possibly not even then" attitude. So on that front, the Mariners start in front. Single, swallow, summer. Cliches are your friend. Think about the major ones, and you will not say foolish things as frequently. A third point that puts the Mariners ahead. 20. Roster limit, you silly ... troll. So do the Mariners. Kick flies out of bounds, throw in Mariners. Chip, shoulder, remove. You are not all white and yet you love Pauline? Or perhaps you have problems with grammer? Or maybe you love the dancing Pauline, now that she is just making money from running without the inconvenience of serving. Over the backline, Mariners goal kick. The great thing about a team fancying itself as "the glamour side" is that you can have a win, a draw and a loss against them, and they take the win for granted, treat the draw as a loss, and the loss as a catastrophe. A.S.S.F.C. will be in everyone else's top three clubs to dislike, even if they are easybeats (championship team, team of champions, etc.)
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Post by bruce on Nov 3, 2004 22:25:27 GMT 10
Why does TV coverage effect crowds so much in Oz (in most sports), in England there are still sell outs at most EPL grounds each week whether it's on sky or not. Where as over here with the possible except of the Wannabes TV means no or much smaller crowds.... Its not TV coverage ... when the NSL was on the television, their crowd averages went up. Its the midweek fixtures, for WHATEVER reason, that are death on crowds. Especially for proper football fans, a lot are either people who actually work for a living, have families, or both, and time to head out to the park midweek can be scarce. When you have a waiting list to get tickets, a midweek game is just an opportunity for some supporter that can't normally get a seat to get into the stadium and catch the team live ... but you have to have weekend sell-outs before that effect can start to kick in.
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Post by bruce on Nov 2, 2004 20:50:52 GMT 10
I like:
1 h 4 2 h 3
GFinal at highest ranked winner, and, especially as its ONLY EIGHT FRIGGING TEAMS:
A: Elimination Final: 2 h 3 B: Grand Final: 1 h winner A
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Post by bruce on Nov 3, 2004 22:20:58 GMT 10
Did Andy Harper have hair then in those days? I imagine he had some ... I'm pretty sure on eyebrows and eyelashes, wouldn't know about any other hair he might have had, as his kit would have covered it up.
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Post by bruce on Nov 2, 2004 13:21:02 GMT 10
People are saying that the younger players in some of the more modest leagues in Europe would be happy to come home as we can match their salaries... But the thing is, these players are trying to get looked at and picked up by one of the big clubs in the big leagues, which simply wont happen in the formative years at least, in the A-League. Of course, the season starts in the European close season, and is over in February, so there is always the possibility of working out a loan deal to get a player playing time and then bring them back to Europe as the season is getting longer and niggling injuries are piling up.
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Post by bruce on Nov 2, 2004 13:16:14 GMT 10
... (Uknighted) have announced as part of the launch that their name is to change to the Newcastle Uknighted Jets. Homage to the RAAF base? Or a suspicious Rugby League connection, eg. Newtown Jets? ... Clearly a clever marketing plot to get ex-pat New Yorkers living in the Newcastle area, and who are not NY Giants supporters, to back the club. The next stage in this fiendishly clever marketing ploy will be a sister-club relationship with J-League second division club Yokohama FC, to get all the Novacastrian residents who are Yokahama ex-pats.
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Post by bruce on Nov 6, 2004 20:38:03 GMT 10
REGISTERED PLAYER COMPARISON (2002 - 2003)Association.............................................. 2002....... 2003..... % change... Manly Warringah Soccer Association Inc... 10664... 12284..... 15.19% Gladesville-Hornsby Football Assoc. Inc.... 10861... 12188.....12.22% Ku-Ring-Gai & District Soccer Assoc. Inc... 10762... 11763..... 9.30% Central Coast Soccer Association............. 10179... 10803..... 6.13% That's up above 40,000 ... that region heads toward parity with Northern NSW. I'd say, between the Harbour and Lake Maquarie, and leave it a bit vague whether that is an "exclusive" between or an "inclusive" between. And, yes, definitely there is the whole of the eastern seaboard to draw on, but its best to have a firm idea of a "home" territory and a sense of affiliation in both directions between an A-league cclub and juniors within its hinterland.
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Post by bruce on Nov 3, 2004 22:27:29 GMT 10
A squad limited to 20 would seem to answer that question, else at least 2 players would have to back up each week... Not necessarily, it just means that any reserve system will be operating by player loans OUT, like in the US where MLS clubs are each associated with a number of A-League and D3 clubs.
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Post by bruce on Oct 30, 2004 18:44:06 GMT 10
Can't be a local game as they play over winter. ... Local to the CC or local to the state? There is a state summer "premier" league, and the CC plays in it. However, for the "stretch" factor, I would think some form of relationship with both the CC club and the Sydney club closest to the northeast would be a better base than the CC club alone. For Northern NSW links, I would suggest focusing on the City of Lake Macquarie, as being the most convenient to the CC, as well as being the most populous of the five LGA's that span the Newcastle urban area.
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Post by bruce on Oct 30, 2004 18:34:11 GMT 10
In my humble view you have to crawl before you can walk before you can run.8* teams is a start and only a start, it is easier to ADD teams than to remove them as we have seen from previous attempts, ... The American experience definitely backs that up. They launched with 10, then expanded to 12, then two of the clubs that were still owned by the league were culled, and now they are back on the expansion path. The cull was a near thing in terms of scuttling the whole league. And as long as they leave open expansion in Sydney and Melborne (which to the best of my limited knowledge they HAVE done), then they can always open up expansion bids, and a viable bid from either Sydney, Melbourne or both means they can expand by one new city, and still expand two clubs at a time.
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Post by bruce on Oct 26, 2004 22:52:03 GMT 10
I had thought there would have been more than one ex-Ourimbah player in the world. Do they shoot them after they are done playing?
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Post by bruce on Nov 3, 2004 22:18:04 GMT 10
Did the breakers have any glory days? Any supporter knows that its the experience at the ground, and yes ...when they were making a run for the playoffs and getting the ground nearly 80% full, it was great fun.
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Post by bruce on Oct 30, 2004 18:10:15 GMT 10
Crap Stats do not make'eth a good Football Supporter Bruce. ! Usually, you need to get out of bed for about 20 years and maybe catch a train to edensor park. ... This is the most defeatist attitude I can imagine. It is just a way of saying no new club WILL succeed because no new club CAN succeed because a new club will not have "real" supporters. But every big club in the world today was a new club at some time in the past, so the evidence is that it IS possible to establish a new club SOMEHOW. The constructive approach is to ask HOW. I did not put up crowd figures, so I do not know how you had a look at them. I put up urban areas in order of population. ... the order in Australia, down to the 200,000 level, is: Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Perth, Adelaide, Newcastle, Gold Coast, Canberra, Central Coast, Wollongong. And as the Central Coast is growing faster than Canberra, on present trends it will go up the list. I am sorry if that does not coincide with your assumptions, but since you appear to be a Sydneysider, by now you should have become used to the world not matching up with your assumptions.
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Post by bruce on Oct 26, 2004 22:50:22 GMT 10
Work it through. Say that you offer the seven largest cities in Australia/New Zealand a spot. That is, in order, Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Perth, Adelaide, Auckland, Newcastle.
Then solicit bids from every other city in the area. Realistically, less than 100,000 is too small as support base - the Gippsland Falcons / Eastern Pride showed that, I think. So that's:
Wellington, Gold Coast, Canberra, Central Coast, Wollongong, Far North Queensland (and that is generous ... only by drawing on surrounding areas would Townsville or Cairns seperately get over the mark).
NZ only want to put one bid in, Gold Coast, Canberra, Wollongong, and FNQ do not bid. That leaves only one urban area over 200,000 that is not represented in the comp, the Central Coast.
Plus as markets go, its not a bad one for soccer.
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