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Post by Bearinator on Sept 3, 2007 15:32:37 GMT 10
sort of of topic but an issue in the bay that i found last week for the wellington match. i was down about midway in the bay, tried to move down to help louden the front section however i couldnt hear hardly of the chants from the back, found it hard to accompany with the drums as there was like 4 chants going at the same time from all over the place. theres just too few of us to coordinate the whole bay i feel any thoughts on this? Hence the reason I think if we ALL stick together, in a tight group, at the back of the bay, our voices will be louder, people directly in front of us will hear us, and possible join in. We dont sit right at the front of the bays for away games, so why do it at home??? We sound AND look great at away games when we stand at the back, sing as a GROUP, and all wear our colours. |
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Post by brett on Sept 3, 2007 15:43:06 GMT 10
sort of of topic but an issue in the bay that i found last week for the wellington match. i was down about midway in the bay, tried to move down to help louden the front section however i couldnt hear hardly of the chants from the back, found it hard to accompany with the drums as there was like 4 chants going at the same time from all over the place. theres just too few of us to coordinate the whole bay i feel any thoughts on this? Hence the reason I think if we ALL stick together, in a tight group, at the back of the bay, our voices will be louder, people directly in front of us will hear us, and possible join in. We dont sit right at the front of the bays for away games, so why do it at home??? We sound AND look great at away games when we stand at the back, sing as a GROUP, and all wear our colours. Just nit-picking, but if we are ALL at the back, there is no one left to join in in front as well. Everyone moving to the front WOULD solve some of the problems, but try getting everyone to do that. The view from the front and back of 16 is very different and its not a sacrifice many are willing to make based on last year's evidence. Then there is the 'problem' of the different styles of supporters, such as the 'English' type crew in the back right, vs the front left type crew who prefer the basic chants over and over with no breaks. These groups usually end up starting different songs and competing with other. We need to harness the best aspects from all styles of support and merge them into one that best suits everyone. We also need a focal point, such as leaders at the front facing backwards, who are starting songs that everyone WANTS to sing, because if it becomes laborious people stop joining in. |
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Post by Bearinator on Sept 3, 2007 16:40:47 GMT 10
Well, ill be bloody straight to the point, its shithouse at the moment, so we need to do something now, rather than talk about it and put it off till the next game, or the next game, as it seems to be happening. Its been the same since nearly day 1, people who think that bay 16 is "the place to be" so go there, in non colours, and dont give a shit, just so they can be cool. We talk about how to fix it, over and over again, but do nothing.
I can just imagine the core of the Marinators in the back middle of the bay singing as a whole, people who are not core marinators sitting in front either getting involved or making way for those who will, once those people are core marinators, well so on and so forth.
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Post by serious14 on Sept 3, 2007 16:53:42 GMT 10
Will see you over there 50 minutes before kickoff then, yes??  |
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Post by Adz on Sept 3, 2007 17:01:21 GMT 10
Will see you over there 50 minutes before kickoff then, yes?? what will that achieve? |
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Post by Bearinator on Sept 3, 2007 17:19:25 GMT 10
Will see you over there 50 minutes before kickoff then, yes?? Paying and extra $1.50 per beer bothers me not, and ill be there, not sure if ill see anyone else there tho. Wont work if noone else bothers. |
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Post by Adz on Sept 3, 2007 17:22:06 GMT 10
What's the point of getting there that early tho? Unless there was a problem getting into the bay... and I think everyone got in okay on Friday? Is it to get there early and yell at all the emos to f*** off as they are coming in?
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Post by wombat on Sept 3, 2007 20:12:16 GMT 10
We normally sit with my family in Bay 15 but as it was only my son and me we sat at the back of Bay16.
I have to say i was a bit embarrassed by alot of the Mariners support. I saw chicks chanting and singing more than alot of blokes and some of the fans wouldn't have looked out of place at a mardi gras....and i'm sure they knew nothing about the Footy. While I think its briliant that these people come along they should not be in with the core support.
I fired up a couple of times and noticed that when i sang along with you guys everyone around me pitched in as well. To alot of Coasties...this type of support is a bit foreign and they will only join in if everyone around them is singing as well.
So everyone thats gonna sit in Bay 16 needs to sing together. Its probably a good idea to have a few of the leaders half way down as well as at the back to encourage the whole bay to sing as one.
BTW I reckon jesus only got thrown out because of those Storm plums throwing cans...beacuse the security were edgy after that.
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Post by marinermick on Sept 4, 2007 8:45:39 GMT 10
the whole point of being in the bay is to sing and support the boys on the park and wouldn't it be louder at the front?
there is a simple solution for the emos sitting at the front - stand at the front yourselves and they will move
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Post by dibo (pron. "DIB-OH") on Sept 4, 2007 9:37:59 GMT 10
Well, ill be bloody straight to the point, its shithouse at the moment, so we need to do something now, rather than talk about it and put it off till the next game, or the next game, as it seems to be happening. Its been the same since nearly day 1, people who think that bay 16 is "the place to be" so go there, in non colours, and dont give a shit, just so they can be cool. We talk about how to fix it, over and over again, but do nothing. I can just imagine the core of the Marinators in the back middle of the bay singing as a whole, people who are not core marinators sitting in front either getting involved or making way for those who will, once those people are core marinators, well so on and so forth. I don't think just putting the core at the back will work. That’s a recipe for people at the back singing a lot, but not a lot else. We pretty much did it on Friday and it wasn’t too bad and I had a lot of fun, but it was hardly spectacular. Part of the problem is that the whole bay doesn’t ‘move’ as one. We don’t all sing the same thing in absolute unison, we don’t all clap the same way at the same time, sometimes some of us are singing one song and others another… Think of the best and loudest support you can, like the Koreans at home in WC2002, Besiktas in Turkey, Urawa Reds – the key is working in unison. Simple things done together but done well sound and look awesome. Megaphones are very useful, but more useful is multiple megaphones separated but in unison – you can get bigger groups coordinated better that way. A meg at the front and a meg at the back* with the two actually knowing what each other are doing is important. I think the reason why we killed it in Sydney was the communication in the bay was top notch and we were very tight together. All singing the same thing at the same time, and doing it well. We had a good number of people spread around the bay who knew what they were doing, and by the end of the night everyone was on the same page. Our support towards the end was great. Home support is very different to away support though, and we have a few added problems to deal with – n00bs and emos in particular. I reckon we could give the fill from the front thing a burl, but we should also make sure that the core of very loud people are not all in one place, but that we’re a bit spread around. If we can get the coordination down and get the n00bs particularly but even the emos singing and wearing yellow then we’ll be doing a lot better. * we still have two megs, right? |
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Post by serious14 on Sept 4, 2007 12:30:07 GMT 10
Will see you over there 50 minutes before kickoff then, yes?? what will that achieve? Not sure if you've ever noticed in your drunken haze (  ), but the Bay is well full 45 minutes before kickoff - the emo's and non active supporters think it's the mad cool place to be, hence there's a big rush to get there as soon as the gates are open. I got over there 45 before kickoff on Friday, and there were a solid 5 rows already full in the middle, and not a trace of yellow amongst them...... the teeny girls and their annoying girlfriends (they possibly could have been guys, but with those jeans who can tell??) were starting to spread to random points in the bay as well. Simply put, we _cannot_ expect to place some sort of authority on Bay 16 if we wander in 5 minutes before kickoff and wonder why our place is taken....... and this will remain so until some sort of reserved seating policy. It's okay to sacrifice 2 cheaper drinks for a better Marinator's presence in our stadium home, yesm?? Bear - I've done it every home game thus far and I don't plan to change. Will see you in there 50 before kickoff against Perth. ;D |
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Post by marinermick on Sept 4, 2007 12:37:19 GMT 10
Perhaps we can organise flyers explaining the ethos of the bay area and those 45 minutes earlier can pass them around.
No doubt some will screw them up but on the whole I think the message would get through.
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Post by T on Sept 4, 2007 12:42:25 GMT 10
One of the other problems I've noticed is that the chants often speed up as they go along, and as a result they get muffled and harder for others to hear, let alone undwerstand and join in. The chants start at a good speed then accelerate.
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Post by Adz on Sept 4, 2007 12:48:39 GMT 10
Fair enough if the problem was not being able to find a spot in bay 16 then yeah, get there a bit earlier... but I don't think anyone had that problem Friday, and the original complaint was about people not joining in: ... i am sick of people sitting in bay 16 and refusing to stand, sing or sing with the majority... People aren't joining in so get there 50 minutes before kickoff? Maybe my brain is a bit hazy but I don't see how that solution relates to the problem... |
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Post by serious14 on Sept 4, 2007 12:53:53 GMT 10
If you're some random who is in the bay one hour before kickoff, and some dudes in yellow come along demanding your spot/that you stand and sing and all the rest of it, you'd be slightly miffed would you not?? After all, it _is_ a general admission area......
If there's a strong yellow presence there 45 minutes before kickoff at the absolute maximum, then people understand that "hey, that's the active support area, look at all of them standing up blah blah blah", and are more likely to join in once the chants and all the rest of it kick in.
P.S. If our form and all the rest of it carries on as is, our bigger games (the 2 against Newcastle, 1 against Sydney, and NYE against Melbourne), getting a spot in the bay _will_ become a realistic problem if you amble in 5 before kickoff. Do you remember how stupidly crazy it was in the game against Sydney last October (the famous 3-1)??
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Post by Auburn Mariner on Sept 4, 2007 13:07:00 GMT 10
I have just spoken with the club reserved seating. We have been asked to send an email to the club with our concerns. I will discuss this with our Executive and move quickly in an attempt for a result.
Please PM me direct (or email president@marinators.net) if you have any further opinions on this.
Regards,
David
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Post by Adz on Sept 4, 2007 13:12:53 GMT 10
Seems like there are a few problems getting mixed up here:
1. Not being able to get a seat in bay 16 because it is full when you get there
A. get there earlier and/or reserved seating
1. Overcrowding of bay 16 (sydney/newcastle/winning streak bandwagon)
A. reserved seating
3. People not joining in the songs or wearing yellow
A. ...
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Post by marinermick on Sept 4, 2007 13:17:58 GMT 10
Seems like there are a few problems getting mixed up here: 1. Not being able to get a seat in bay 16 because it is full when you get there A. get there earlier and/or reserved seating 1. Overcrowding of bay 16 (sydney/newcastle/winning streak bandwagon) A. reserved seating 3. People not joining in the songs or wearing yellow A. ... agree 100% adz reserved seating will mean people will buy tickets from the back and if the bay does not sell out you will still have the emos in the front and the same issues reserve ticketing does, however, lead to a host of other opportunities for the marinators and club |
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Post by Adz on Sept 4, 2007 13:39:09 GMT 10
1. 1. 3. bloody hell can't even count  |
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Post by djebella on Sept 4, 2007 13:46:26 GMT 10
Seems like there are a few problems getting mixed up here: 1. Not being able to get a seat in bay 16 because it is full when you get there A. get there earlier1. Overcrowding of bay 16 (sydney/newcastle/winning streak bandwagon) A. get there earlier3. People not joining in the songs A. get there earlier and spread out. If there are voices coming from all around you, your more likely to join in or wearing yellow maybe start handing out something yellow to those not wearing yellow, I'm thinking like $2 yellow ponchos or something to get the message across |
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), but the Bay is well full 45 minutes before kickoff - the emo's and non active supporters think it's the mad cool place to be, hence there's a big rush to get there as soon as the gates are open. I got over there 45 before kickoff on Friday, and there were a solid 5 rows already full in the middle, and not a trace of yellow amongst them...... the teeny girls and their annoying girlfriends (they possibly could have been guys, but with those jeans who can tell??) were starting to spread to random points in the bay as well. 
